HELP

Submitted by URSA1951 on May 13, 2012 - 8:43am

INFORMATION PLEASE,I HAVE RECENTLY ACQUIRED THREE WATCHES THEY WERE BOUGHT AS "GENTS BULOVA WATCH"BUT I WANTED TO KNOW MORE SO I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH,I'M NEW TO THIS SO A SECOND OPINION WOULD BE APPRECIATED,THE FIRST WITH THE GRAY DIAL I THINK IS A 1949 "DOUGLAS" MODEL

THE SECOND A 1945/6 "OFFICER"

AND THE THIRD A1951/2 DIRECTOR

 

I WOULD BE GRATEFUL FOR ANY INFORMATION,AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS THE CRYSTAL ON THE "DIRECTOR" IS CRACKED AND IN POOR SHAPE DOES ANYONE KNOW THE CODE NUMBER FOR A REPLACEMENT AND WHERE TO GET ONE.

DarHin
Posted May 13, 2012 - 8:55am

URSA, we're going to need larger pics. Please provide as much info as possible including pics of the front and rear.

How to add images to myBulova.com forums & comments

I, as well as some others here, should be able to help with a replacement crystal.

Darren

URSA1951
Posted May 13, 2012 - 10:06am

I'M SORRY FOLK'S BUT I'M HAVING A LOT OF TROUBLE GETTING MY PHOTO'S POSTED, ANY HELP WITH THIS PLEASE

DarHin
Posted May 13, 2012 - 11:42am

URSA,

The pics need to be smaller than 700x700 pixels and 300kb. I use Microsoft Office Picture Manager to resize my pics. Start with high resolution pics taken on the macro setting then make the adjustments using a photo manipulation program.

I think most of us have a little trouble uploading pics the first couple of times but if you follow the instructions in the link I provided above then it shouldn't be too difficult.

It 's probably best if you add each of your 3 watches in it's own thread so that each will have it's own discussion. Also, I see you started another thread under RE Help. Let's keep the discussion of uploading pics here to avoid confusion.

Most of the pics of my watches aren't very good but my last watch added, the 1943 Military Issue, came out pretty good.

URSA1951
Posted May 13, 2012 - 1:03pm

WELL DARREN I'VE JUST SPENT ANOTHER HOUR TRYING TO UPLOAD THE PHOTO'S AND AS YOU CAN SEE NO LUCK, SO I THINK ITS TIME TO CALL IT A DAY BECAUSE I AM LOSING THE WILL TO LIVE,THANKS FOR YOUR TIME AND TROUBLE.............URSA1951

 

DarHin
Posted May 13, 2012 - 1:21pm

Where are you getting hung up?

When I get discouraged I look at the poster on my wall of the kitten hanging on for dear life, you know the one that says "Hang in there". Then I throw darts at it!

URSA1951
Posted May 13, 2012 - 1:32pm

ITS EASIER TO FIND YOUR WAY ROUND RUPERT MURDOCH'S FILES THAN GET PICTURES ON HERE

FifthAvenueRes…
Posted May 13, 2012 - 1:40pm

I have difficulty uploading images to the forums also, so I usually 'hotlink' them.

Images are much easier to add when listing a Watch in the database, as suggested.

Look for the 'add a Watch' link in the HOME dropdown menu above. 

DarHin
Posted May 13, 2012 - 1:48pm

Good point Mark. I really don't see the advantage of adding a watch to the "What is it" forum when all that usually happens is a lengthy disscussion to hash out the model and then when it's added to the db much of the same discussion happens all over again when someone comes across it. Why not just added it to the watch db as an unknown from the get go. It can always be edited.

William Smith
Posted May 13, 2012 - 2:44pm

and adding the photos on site insures they will not be deleted if hosted off site via link.

URSA  If you want to send me the photos I can try to get them loaded.  PM'ed ya my email. 

mybulova_admin
Posted May 14, 2012 - 7:36am

Please advise what exactly is the issue so that I can take action to try and help.

Depending on your internet connection speed and the web browser version you are using you should be able to access the upload page.

Again help us help you by explaining what the error is that you are getting.

Admin

bobbee
Posted May 14, 2012 - 10:15am

Try sending them to yourself via your Email provider, it's what I do and as they come on your E-mail, right click each picture and save them, makes them small enough for this site.

William Smith
Posted May 14, 2012 - 1:11pm

In reply to by bobbee

Gang  URSA sent me the photos, and Im gonna load the three of them here for now.  I can assist in listing each as an unknown later tonight.

William Smith
Posted May 14, 2012 - 4:00pm

Temp photos unitl later.

GVP
Posted May 14, 2012 - 4:06pm

agree that all three are what you say. I think the Director crystal in G-S is a cmc335 just from my usually bad memory but if you have dimensions I can check for sure

 

DarHin
Posted May 14, 2012 - 5:48pm

If the crystal measures about 21.7x21.7 then Gary is correct, it would be the GS MC335.

URSA, I have the correct crystal in glass. I have the regular, regular double thick in clear, blue and green, & cylinder. PM me if you're interested.

Darren

URSA1951
Posted May 15, 2012 - 2:27am

 I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR YOUR HELP AND ASSISTANCE ESPECIALLY WILLIAM SMITH FOR TAKING THE TIME AND TROUBLE TO GET THESE PICTURES ON, HOPEFULLY IN A YEAR OR SO I'LL HAVE FIGURED OUT HOW TO DO THIS MYSELF,ANYWAY ONCE AGAIN MANY THANKS..............URSA

URSA1951
Posted May 15, 2012 - 2:51am

 THE REPLACEMENT CRYSTAL I NEED FOR THE "DIRECTOR" I WANT SOMETHING I CAN DO MYSELF, I AM BRAND NEW AT THIS SO NO ADHESIVES OR SPECIAL TOOLS JUST POP AND OFF WE GO,WHICH IS THE EASIEST OPTION GLASS OR ACRYLIC,

DarHin
Posted May 15, 2012 - 12:33pm

In reply to by URSA1951

Fitting a crystal is not very difficult. It really comes down to one's degree of patience and starting with the correct crystal. There was a crystal fitting guide on ebay at one time, btw.

Glass or plastic? I don't see much difference as far as fitting the two other than needing a little more care with the glass. The procedure is essentially the same. To me, choosing between glass or plastic comes down to how often I plan on wearing the watch. Dress watches and others that are worn less frequently will get glass and daily wearers will get plastic. Glass is less prone to scratching but will break. Plastic shouldn't break but light scratch's can be buffed out thus extending their life.

I recommend using adhesive on all non waterproof crystals just due to the fact that it will keep dust/dirt from getting inside which will dirty the dial and movement.

I don't have the Director in plastic but as GVP mentioned above the GS MC335 regular/low profile, or CMC335 cylinder/high profile are correct. If you post in the "Watch Parts & Trade" forum here I'm sure someone can help.

Darren

GVP
Posted May 15, 2012 - 3:28am

with pretty much any crystal you will likely need adhesive. Sometimes you can get lucky with the acrylic type but not often.

FifthAvenueRes…
Posted May 15, 2012 - 7:44am

GS 'Flexo' Crystals are designed to snap fit the Bezel, the package states no adhesive necessary - which I agree with.

Glass rarely fits 'out of the box ' and will need fitted and adhered to the Bezel.

 

 the 1949 'DOUGLAS' is a 'HIS EXCELLENCY'  if 21 Jeweled.

 the 'OFFICER' and 'DIRECTOR' appear to be ID'd correctly.

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NOVA
Posted May 15, 2012 - 7:47am

What is your support for calling the Douglas a His Excellency? 

The ads show the model as the Douglas (21 jewels) in both 1948 and 1949, and another 1949 ad shows it as the 21 jewel Ambassador.

Not every model became a His Excellency variant in 1947.

FifthAvenueRes…
Posted May 15, 2012 - 7:52am

Ya, it seems at one time We had an ad showing this 21 Jeweled Model as an 'EXCELLENCY' which now I'm not seeing, the 'AMBASSADOR' is correct, according to the latest ad layout.

NOVA
Posted May 15, 2012 - 8:09am

I have never seen an ad identifying this model as a His Excellency, nor do I recall anyone ever naming this model a His Excellency.

What is your basis for claiming this is an Ambassador rather than a Douglas?  Both are shown in a 1949 ad, both have 21 jewels, and both were available in yellow, pink, and white gold.  They even appear to be on the same strap.

The Douglas ID is fully supported by the advertisements.

NOTE:  This would also appear to be an excellent example of a mere name change without any change to the particulars of the watch (i.e., from the Douglas to the Ambassador at some point during 1949).

mybulova_admin
Posted May 16, 2012 - 8:52am

Bulova Douglas V Ambassador

The Douglas model pre-dates the Ambassador, but at what point in 1949 did it change over?

Hands of the subject watch match that of the Ambassador.

NOVA
Posted May 16, 2012 - 9:29am

In reply to by mybulova_admin

There is also a different shape to the seconds subdial (i.e., round vs rectangular inner track).

Generally, we do not rely on hands to make a model ID, and we often assume dial variants within a given model.  However, since we appear to have no other way to distinguish between the Douglas and Ambassador in 1949, the hands and dial difference would tip the scales for me toward the Ambassador, assuming the subject watch is in fact dated 1949.

NOTE HOWEVER:  I have this model in white gold with gray dial dated 1946 (by case serial number and movement), and it has the dial and hands that match the Ambassador ad.  Thus, after further consideration, those would not seem to be reliable distinguishing factors, IMO, given what we know at this point in time.