LONE EAGLE DISPLAY BOX

Submitted by timerestoration on May 11, 2012 - 6:03pm

I have the pictured Lone Eagle Box, but it is missing the black velvet c-shaped part that the watch attaches to. Does anyone have a photo of this part? I would like to make one for my box.

Also, note that this one was customized for S&N Katz Jewelers in Baltimore, MD.

Thanks in advance!

FifthAvenueRes…
Posted May 11, 2012 - 9:44pm

Hi Jeff,

The box is shown in 1932'ish ad's housing the LE II and LE III.

I am emailing a 2100 pixel image.

Hope this helps.

bobbee
Posted May 11, 2012 - 10:13pm

Yeah, can you mail me the box?

William Smith
Posted May 11, 2012 - 11:44pm

Hi Jeff     I have several of these green tonneau LE boxes in various states of condition.  I'm aware of three different types of lift mechanisms used in these boxes, perhaps associated with different "production runs" over their appx three-year  lifetime.  On all of these versions, while I've had the black velvet Bulova insert, I've never had the part which the watch band attached to.  Not only has it always been missing, on some versions, there's not even an indication that the attachment seen in Fifth's example was ever there.  Mystery, or someone before me fabrecated the balck velvet insert sans watch attachment. 

In one version, the yellow velvet hangs over the inside of the box hinge and attaches to the insert at the back side only. The black velvet part sits on the insert which "lifts" the back side when the box is opened. I believe this is the version you have. With only the back lifting, it displays at a forward facing angle (the front of the inset is attached to the bottom front of box so it hinges at this point-giving the forward facing angle). Did you fabricate your black insert? Does yours lift flush to top like fifths, or forward facing?  In my example, the black insert looks like just like yours, and doesn't have the part which the watch band connected around.  I thought the part the watch connected to could have been glued to the black velvet and just been lost, but I don't see any old glue marks on your black velvet nor on mine.  Maybe they came like that, but then I don't know what would hold the watch on the forward-facing black velvet insert?  Fifth's picture shows they did exist.

In a second version (below), the yellow velvet lifts by attaching to a separate "full scissor" mechanism inside which raises the entire insert up at both the front and back to be flush with the opening of the box (like the artists rendering of box/watch in the ad on site and Fifth's example).  But my example of this version also doesn't have the part to which the watch attached.

The third version uses yet another lift configuration(below).  This example lifts the black insert up at both the front and back with a "half scissor" mechanism.  My two examples both came without the black velvet insert, so I don't know if/how the watch would have attached. I'm guessing it was like Fifth's example. 

This didn't help you much with your request, did it?  Fifth took care of that...but an opportunity to discuss the three styles of this case doesn't come along too often.  Has anyone seen a box with a watch holder attachment different that Fifth's example?

There are also at least three different layouts of the info printed on the inside of the lid.  It would be interesting to know how the info printed on the inside of the lids correspond to the different lift mechanisms used, and chronological order of production.  There's my "half scissor lift" and "full scissor lift" print versions below (without the cased and timed printing)

a version like the subject box (either with or without any customized jewelry store info in the space where Jeff's says S&N Katz),

and a third like Fifths example (with the dedication at top and the cased and timed info below, but without the space between them for the custom Jewelers store info to be printed).

 Any pictures indicating there were more than these three inside lid print layouts for this green LE box?

timerestoration
Posted May 12, 2012 - 9:23am

Mark, Thanks much for the picture! I am assuming that the holder is formed out of steel and wrapped in black velvet?

William, thanks for all of the info! Mine lifts up the back of the insert only. My insert (pictured here) has two slits in the center to accept the part that holds the watch...Presumably the same as Fifth's.

William Smith
Posted May 12, 2012 - 1:57pm

Thanks Jeff

Mark's example has divots or an indentation in the black velvet and the "watch holder" sat on top of that.  Your black velvet example (like one of mine) has the slots where another "watch holder" device was attached through the slots, without the indentation in Marks example. 

I'm now pretty sure my black insert w/o indent or slots was a fabrication, but it does have the gold BULOVA in the lower left corner, so they either used the old velvet, or they printed Bulova on it very nicely.  Whoever fabed mine must have used the velvet w/o the slots, as they are not there.

Gosh- I'm discussing the differences in indentations on a black insert in a 80 year old box.  I really do have some social skills, but it's Bulova nerd most of the time.

FifthAvenueRes…
Posted May 12, 2012 - 3:30pm

Jeff,

I honestly have no idea what the insert is made from, Wood, possibly Cardboard or a Paper mache?