1929 Brewster?

I bought this thinking it was a Brewster based on the engraving pattern, but now I wonder if that's correct.  The case design is a little different.  Any thoughts on what else it could be?

8AT movement, 15 jewels

Date code indicates 1929

14K GF case, hinged, with 1924 patent

Movement serial # 307794

Case serial # 9418425

Here's the ad from 1929 that's in the database as a placeholder:

Bulova Brewster watch

Here's my watch:

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Wayne Hanley
Posted February 28, 2011 - 7:27pm

Liz

Right off hand the lugs are cut off square on the watch-compare. Also on the horizontal bezel of the watch the arrows stay in one direction and the ad arrows are opposing. I do not recognize the case. I'm thinking womans department on this one with an 8AT. Need dimensions when you get it.

The Brewster is another late 20s watch ad that  does not match the watch engraving-wise. I was surprized when I logged my Brewster into the data base as an unknown & Stephen regognized it as a Brewster. The bezel has little pimples all over, it's in the data base. The 1928 ad is more like the Brewster watch.

Wayne

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Posted February 28, 2011 - 7:50pm

Club 5000

I wouldn't bet the farm on this one, but it might be a Suzanne.  Looks a little too square for me and the engraving doesn't seem quite right, but here it is.   

I know .... it really doesn't match.

 

Jay

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NOVA
Posted February 28, 2011 - 8:19pm

That's closer than any other lady's watch I saw in the ads.  What year is that from?

The watch is small, so small, in fact, that I thought it had been swapped for the one I bought.  I looked back at the listing, and it claimed it is a man's watch.  Of course, that doesn't mean anything. 

Anyway, here are the measurements:  length (lug tip to lug tip) - 30mm; width (not including crown) - just under 21mm.

NOVA
Posted February 28, 2011 - 8:19pm

That's closer than any other lady's watch I saw in the ads.  What year is that from?

The watch is small, so small, in fact, that I thought it had been swapped for the one I bought.  I looked back at the listing, and it claimed it is a man's watch.  Of course, that doesn't mean anything. 

Anyway, here are the measurements:  length (lug tip to lug tip) - 30mm; width (not including crown) - just under 21mm.

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Wayne Hanley
Posted February 28, 2011 - 8:33pm

Jay

I think you nailed it shape-wise it is right on. Engraving-wise as you know the early ads up to 1930 don't look like the watches.

Wayne

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Posted February 28, 2011 - 8:58pm

Club 5000

The ad is from July of 1926.

Jay

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NOVA
Posted February 28, 2011 - 9:16pm

Is it not of concern that, after 1926, that model became much more rounded (see the ad picture in the database under 1927), and my rectangular watch dates to 1930?  

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Posted February 28, 2011 - 9:37pm

Yep, it would say that's not the Watch.

The #6 numeral on the Suzanne is partially obscured by the Sub Seconds Dial, where Yours is fully obscured which tells Me Suzanne has a slightly Oblonged Case,  the unknown is a Square.

Nice find btw, Case looks Mint.

NOVA
Posted February 28, 2011 - 9:41pm

Thanks!  Given your conservative approach to refinishing, what, if anything would you do with this one?  The dial is not quite as bad as it looks in the picture, because it is hidden behind a horribly yellowed crystal--although it definitely has some patina.   Would you just replace the crystal, if possible and leave the rest alone?  That's my inclination.

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Posted February 28, 2011 - 10:37pm

absolutely, service the Movement and Glass.

mybulova_admin
Posted March 1, 2011 - 5:14am

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Other than the Suzzane above the only other cases of that era that I can find are

- Director (does the watch in question have a curved case?)

- Magnolia (probabbly not as case looks to be rectangular - pattern matches)

- Unknowm 1926 model (similar but again I think no cigar)

Bulova watch

The Brewester is just too different in the case shape, particularly in the lugs. I agree the patern is very similar, but the case is just too different for my liking.

The hunt continues unless there is a general feeling amoungst members that one of these is the likely candidate. 

Don't forget ads aren't 100% accurate to what was released.

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Posted March 1, 2011 - 7:40pm

Club 5000

Dictator not Director.  Who would name a watch that???  That's right, those happy go lucky folks at Bulova marketing.  BTW if the Dictator is really "thin as a wafer" I wonder what movement they crammed in there?

Jay

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Posted March 1, 2011 - 7:12pm

The last pic You show admin has the Dial characteristics (varaiartion to the sub second Dial) and Case dimension of the unknown but the engraving pattern is off slightly on the Bezel horizontals, lugs slightly differ which all could be Artists rendition issues.

Vertical engraving pattern is a possible match. (comparing the Left Verticals on both images.)

Square model, lower Right possibly naming the 'unknown watch ad' as a 'SENATOR' (?)

Circa 1925.

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Posted March 1, 2011 - 7:36pm

Club 5000

I agree with you FifthAve... the unknown is a Senator.

 

Jay

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FifthAvenueRest...
Posted March 1, 2011 - 11:04pm

Nice find on the image Jay, much better detail.

 

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Wayne Hanley
Posted March 2, 2011 - 5:53am

I wonder why the Senator that Jay's comment depicts, looks like the Brewster image right under it in Fifth's comments? Bulova didn't depict the Senator correctly until 12/1926. The Senator was engraved like the following example. In 1928 it was also available in blank top & bottom bezels.

How about the Windsor cropped from 1926 Ad 11-13-1 fits the shape of the unknown. Does anyone have clear details on a Windsor?

 

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Posted March 2, 2011 - 6:27am

Windsor isn't even close Wayne.

Windsor Case is an Oblong not a Square.

Unknown is a Square.

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Wayne Hanley
Posted March 2, 2011 - 12:48pm

The Suzanne, Magnolia, and the Windsor have the same shape cases. Rectangular yes, but the same general characteristics. 

Wayne