what is it ? I need a crystal

Submitted by chris810 on March 20, 2011 - 7:30pm

shown is a mans Rose gold filled bulova that my wife has been wearing for 8 years she recently smashed the crystal and fortunatly I was able to buy a spare watch to replace the crystal however I would now like a crystal for the spare ( is this how collections get started? ) so if anyone can help me identify it then at least it would be a starting point.

 

movement is 8ac 17 jewels and the movement is marked L2 ( 1952 ) however I have always thought that it the pink dialed one was 1947

Timemachines
Posted March 20, 2011 - 9:10pm

Hi Chris,

 We cant tell you what crystal you have without a case number, and alot of old watches dont have any referance to the case and crystal. You may need to send it to a watchmaker and have them fit a crystal to it and maybe make a spare if you need, but in all honesty, you will probably loose the spare before you use it. I suggest you just get one and take care of the watch and it will last you a long time.

 I hope this helps.  Mike..

shooter144
Posted March 20, 2011 - 10:38pm

Scott might be able to help if he has the dimensions...try sending an email to [email protected] he will tell you what he needs to know and may be able to help you out.

OldTicker
Posted March 20, 2011 - 10:44pm

A picture of the watch and a crystal measurment will help, your picture did not upload.

GVP
Posted March 21, 2011 - 7:00am

 Hard to say without the photo which didnt upload....i'm guessing it is a squadron or a douglas style....no rhyme nor reason...just a guess..anyone else want to guess before the photo comes :)

NOVA
Posted March 21, 2011 - 12:11pm

In reply to by GVP

I say it's a '40s President. . . with a switched out movement and a bad redial. 

(No offense, Chris--just screw'n around.  I'm sure it's a very nice watch, else your wife wouldn't have been wearing it.  So, put up a pic and let us help you out.)

chris810
Posted March 21, 2011 - 12:54pm

as I can see the pictures on my computer I am assuming that the pictures are now uploaded ?

The larger of the two is the one my wife has been wearing for some years she loves it particularly the very pink colour to the case, the smaller of the two pictures is the spare I bought for the glass, I have seen a total of 4 for sale over the internet in the last 7 years or so, three with the same dial as the large picture and the spare which was actually for sale only 5 miles down the road from me!

The pink dial has obviously been refinished but the white one has not although they all have the same pink gold filled case, I tried to get a photo of the movement but my photo skills are as bad as my computer skills, I did find another number on the case 3275474 on the white dial, 9864928 on the copper dial with the movement inside marked 8AD  J9 with MXE in capitals near the regulator. hope this helps it would be lovely to find out a name and possibly some history.

If the pictures do not show then if someone can point me to an idiots guide on how to do it then I can try again.

 

many thanks for your input so far :  Chris

NOVA
Posted March 21, 2011 - 2:50pm

In reply to by chris810

Make sure your picks are no larger than 150 KB.  One way to do that is to open them in Microsoft Office Picture Viewer, click Edit Pictures, then Resize, then select "Web - Small" from the dropdown list of pre-defined sizes.  The re-save your pic.

GVP
Posted March 21, 2011 - 3:31pm

 Click where you want it, then > click the little mountain picture on the bar> click the upload tab> choose the file from whatever destination you have it in > click Send to server > The when done click OK.

 

Smaller the file quicker it is

chris810
Posted March 21, 2011 - 5:53pm

here goes

 

 

now for the white dial spare

 

 

hopefully thats ok now

 

chris

WatchCrystals.net
Posted March 28, 2011 - 6:11pm

In reply to by chris810

 The BULOVA "GRANT," if it's a 17Jewel, SOLID "14 Karat" gold watch???

 

 

:-)   Scott

 

WatchCrystals.net
Posted March 28, 2011 - 6:52pm

In reply to by WatchCrystals.net

The 1946 Bulova GRANT:

 

MODEL:                                     G-S:                                  SUC:      BB:                                PF: 

46 Grant (MX, Peak Gabled)  CMX328-51 or 328-50   RS590   MX2169 or 69A 202   HMC217/3 202

 

:-)   Scott

 

 

 

NOVA
Posted March 21, 2011 - 6:25pm

The dial looks just like the one on the models we've been calling a Time King or Broadcaster from the early '40s.  I just posted one a little while ago under 1941 - Unknown.   The case is something else.

I've also got a similar dial on some other early 40s models and on a 1946 Squadron.  Nothing later than that though and nothing with that case shape.

NOVA
Posted March 21, 2011 - 6:00pm

Chris,

Can you show us the back of the case, or tell us anything that's written on the inside and outside of the case?

OldTicker
Posted March 21, 2011 - 8:36pm

Need some crystal specs for this one, looks like the bezel is angled near the corners and the crystal might be also, or is that a reflection?

FifthAvenueRes…
Posted March 21, 2011 - 8:54pm

Greg,

I measured 22 x 20.2 give or take if the unknowns case is the same. Nothing out of the ordinary on the Glass, slight curve both ways I believe.

(A - E variant were the initial possibilities on the Duo Wind)

OldTicker
Posted March 21, 2011 - 9:09pm

Duo Wind shows a CMS 725 that is 23.5mm x 23.5mm, a "D" model that takes a CMX 365-10 that is 24.0mm x 20.3 and angled like the watch appears to be, and models "H,I,K,L" that take a CMS 700F that is 23.4mm x 23.4mm and is the double gabled style.

8AC movement doesn't sound right for a Duo-Wind?

FifthAvenueRes…
Posted March 21, 2011 - 9:24pm

No, the unknown isn't a Duo - Wind,  I thought the case was similar in design/style.

OldTicker
Posted March 21, 2011 - 9:40pm

Yes the case is similar in style, and it seem Bulova and everyone else made lots of different watches in that crystal size range, so a exact crystal measurment and curvature would help since nothing like it is listed in the Knowns, Unknowns or Ad Database.

Your Duo-Wind turned out nice, you should update the picture in the database.

FifthAvenueRes…
Posted March 21, 2011 - 9:57pm

Ya, I really need to invest in a set of digital calipers, never do. -  this time aound measuring I'm closer to the 24 x 20.3 so I'll call mine a 'D'.

Any other Bulova's listed that take the CMX 365-10 ?

NOVA
Posted March 21, 2011 - 10:07pm

I could be wrong, but I don't think we verified that it's a Bulova case? 

GVP
Posted March 23, 2011 - 10:29am

Hi.

That is solid pink gold isn't it?  I have the same model here (mine is solid gold anyway). This is a GRANT model according to one posted on here going by the advert below. I have yet to find a crystal for it as a Grant though. It is 21.1 x 17.1 .  The nearest that fits well is GS CMX320-37 (named for the Bulova PATRIOT) but this has a pitched centre. There is a Crystal for a Benrus at 21.1 x 17.3 which may do the job with a bit of rubbing that's a GS CMX323-4.

 

 

chris810
Posted March 23, 2011 - 5:38pm

keeping an eye on this guys although I work away from home during the week and I wont be able to send any more information until then

It is marked on the case back 10k gold and it is pink gold , however I thought it was gold filled but thinking back on it I have no evidence either way.I will measure the apature and try to post some mor picks the crystal is domed and I have had it to 4 repairers in the uk none of them could get a crystal until I found a spares watch, now I would like to get the spare up and running. this is how collections get started.

shooter144
Posted March 28, 2011 - 11:47am

If it only says 10k and not rolled gold plate or gold filled then its solid 10k.....nice !!!! the color has no effect on the karat rating but does (rose color) tend to raise the luv it factor hence value as well.

Very nice watch ( both ) !!!!!

FifthAvenueRes…
Posted March 28, 2011 - 1:34pm

Then it would be a 'GRANT' as shown above as it is advertised as being solid 10K.

chris810
Posted April 3, 2011 - 12:35pm

Hi back again, I have been unable to take any decent photos yet but will continue trying , however I can add that both cases state on the back "14k gold BULOVA" not 10 k as I previously wrote ( brain fade I think as it was from memory ) hope this adds something to the debate

apature size is 17.0 x 21.1mm so agrees very well with gjwatches the crystal is domed without the sharp pitch as shown on the e-bay photo

I would just like to say i am very impressed with the depth of knowledge and patience expressed by all on this forum particularly to a newbie novice like me, many thanks to you all