What is this Lone Eagle/president -Esque watch? 1935 10AR

Submitted by GVP on June 6, 2011 - 7:50am

 Can anyone shed any light on what this 1935 lone eagle/president looking piece is. Strange calibre movement i've not come across before 10AR 7j?  Bezel measures around 37.5 by 25.5mm total

vintagebulova.com
Posted June 6, 2011 - 9:52am

You have a pix of the movement?  Sounds like a Westfield.  They did a lot of 7 jewel movements.

Jay

vintagebulova.com

 

GVP
Posted June 6, 2011 - 10:29am

 Hi Jay,  photo added, Defo Bulova, Case is also signed. The 10AR does appear in the movement list on here also as a 7j. but as I said, never come across it myself until now. Think its the first on here anyway....couldn't find any others.

bourg01
Posted June 6, 2011 - 1:17pm

I've come across a few over the years but they are rather un common. I beleive the model is an LE version. I just sold a 36 LE but it had a 17J 10AE motor in it.

Wayne Hanley
Posted June 6, 2011 - 3:09pm

The case is a Lone Eagle series III, one of the varients without the chevrons on the bezel crossbars. Below would be a picture of my LE series III without chevrons crossbars & two-tone. For some reason I can't load it! Sorry!  I have a 9AT 15j movement in mine.

 

 

 

FifthAvenueRes…
Posted June 8, 2011 - 7:54am

1933 Ad Names a similar Case the 'WEBSTER'. - Non, engraved bezel, 15 Jewels.

I disagree with the LEIII 'variant', lugs, case engraving and movement differs.

There are no early  'LONE EAGLE' "variants" that are known.

FifthAvenueRes…
Posted June 8, 2011 - 10:46am

no, it's the LE for comparison - note the Case narrowing to the lugs.

Wayne Hanley
Posted June 9, 2011 - 5:15pm

Fifth

"There are no early 'LONE EAGLE' "variants" that are known". This ad contradicts your varients quote. In 1931 there are two different Lone Eagles present in the ad. Flip a coin as to which is the varient. Notice the top watch has a different engraving pattern than the bottom watch. Also, notice the difference in the dials (Top watch shows lum numbers & cathedral hands, bottom watch has applied numbers & modern hands. The hands on the bottom LE are most probably gilded modern hands. If not, we have have to call my 1931 LE with gilded hands a varient also (availble in the database).

 

FifthAvenueRes…
Posted June 9, 2011 - 5:26pm

Black hands IMO Wayne, contrasting in typical 'Art Deco' style.

The Case shape of both Watches in the ads remains the same, so do the engraved enhancements on the bezel horizontals.

1930 and 1931 perhaps.

Wayne Hanley
Posted June 10, 2011 - 1:49am

In reply to by FifthAvenueRes…

I didn't point out the similarities, only the variations.

mybulova_admin
Posted June 9, 2011 - 8:56pm

Gents the top one is the earlier of the two.

Note how Bulova transitioned a number of their models this way. It was a nice change over from the late 20s painted dials and radium hands into the newer mid and later 30s raised gold numbers and hands.

The model I have is the later model with raised gold numbers and hands. Unless the numbers are black I'd suggest that black hands might me a replacement, easy enough to do and very common parts. (Gold hands in an old black and white photo wouldn't work and why put black hands on a gold dial......owners choice perhaps)

Either way what I firmly believe is that what we see above is simply the transition of the same watch into sporting a later style that Bulova was introducing.

Have a look at a number of early 30's Bulova watches and you'll see the same trend.

As far as the subject watch goes, the jury is still out for me, If it has a 7 Jewel movement then chances are its a Westfield and someone has replaced the dial.

We have an ad showing a very similar watch as a Westfield.

Wayne Hanley
Posted June 10, 2011 - 1:56am

In reply to by mybulova_admin

Seems like every thing is rationalized. IMO  I agree with the Westfield possibility.

FifthAvenueRes…
Posted June 10, 2011 - 7:08am

Gents,

I believe the Westfield movements were signed Westfield, this movement is signed Bulova.

vintagebulova.com
Posted June 10, 2011 - 7:19am

I agree with Fifth on this one.  I had never seen that Bulova 7 jewel movement before but have since learned that it indeed was produced by them.  

Jay

vintagebulova.com

FifthAvenueRes…
Posted June 11, 2011 - 6:57am