WOW... check it out! Just found a copy of a 1942 Service Ad.... The Radio City is another name for the Blackout! Woot!!
ALSO... I found the GENERAL! I KNEW my unknown watch was something special! Only one I've ever seen.
Naw Mark.... they're radium hands and numbers.... the standard green. The ad above is auto resized from this site. The copy I have is a little bigger and clearer. It definately shows the green and also states radium hands and dial in the description below the watch.
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Now there's a question I thought of last night... wow... who knows. Almost like the Air Warden/Nighthawk debate.
The ad is from Canada so maybe it was named differently for each country? Just purely speculative here... as the only differences I've seen are like the Canadian Nurse vs. American Nurse and suchlike.
Radio City Music Hall is in New York City, NY. So I'm thinking back in the day New York City must have had the name Radio City. Which of course shoots my idea all to hell since why would a Canadian theme named watch name itself after New York City.
Though I think quite a few American troop ships left NYC... so that could have a bit to do with the Radio City moniker as "war themed"?
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Not sure if this sheds any light on the matter.
http://www.radiocitycondo.com/default.aspx?pageid=12580
Looking at the 2 ads we now have for the Blackout and Radio City they certainly look identical.
Bulova marketing department hard at work again. Makes it kind of difficult to put a name to a particular model when it had several different names, sometimes at the same time in different markets. I guess you would have to know exactly when and where it was originally sold. Oh but wait, what if someone saw an ad for the watch with one name and then bought it in a different market under another name? The mind boggles.
Jay
I actually bought one of these from Canada (what I thought was the 'BLACKOUT') and, believe it or not, the Case Bezel and back were slightly smaller in dimension than My U.S. sourced Watches of the same Case style (could not fit a U.S. sourced Bezel onto the Canadian sourced back and vise-versa).
Both use the same Glass.
2c
Great find on the ad Jerin. Only problem now is that it raises a great deal of new questions, speculation etc. Jeesh!, Just when we thought ..........well so much for those theories! I love the find on the General.
Fifth, Now I'm beginning to think more like you have mentioned a few times, if a watch is not an exact match to an ad, just may be it shouldn't get 3 stars.
Admin, maybe we need a 5 star system, Unconfirmed, Tenative, Confirmed Dial, Confirmed Case and Confirmed Exact ID! Now that's a can of worms, eh!
I'm certainly flustered now.
A Five star system would be better, I'd also like to see a zero stars option for any ID that is completely wrong in a panel members opinion.
* Any 3 star ID under the current system needs an ad to match and I still say a panel member should not be able to rate their own Watches. There's a 'conflict of interest'.
Guess what Fifth, I agree with what your saying on all points. Maybe we can all submit catagory ideas for a 5 Star system to Admin starting with the 0 stars that cancels an ID completely if it is proven to be wrong 100% and I do tend to agree that panel members should not be able to rate their own watches.
Over the past few months I've seen too much happen that have nullified some of my ID's and most certainly many of my opinions. Now I don't even trust my own logic when it comes to some models I have so they will remain tentative, maybe, but not proven known. Just FYI as well, I will soon forward pics of a plain dial Academy Award watch ad to admin. It's a plain dial version of the AA "Z" model found in a 1951 Alden's catalogue. Now if that dosen't that just kick up a bunch of dust, nothing will.
Shawn,
Not to get off topic but I've had a hunch about the all White Daled AA for some time, as You know. (I think Jerin owns one in a box ?)
I watched You auction off a Watch just the other day - L2, Gold Caseback, 21J 7AA with a Harlequinn Dial.
http://www.mybulova.com/watches/1952-unknown-2165
Another unseen 'AA' IMO
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Nope, not that model though I won't discount any possible idea's at this point. Bulova is just all over the map with model ID's and dates. I would have originally thought an Excellency version but not now. I don't think that a 7aa movement denotes an AA model watch as so many originals were 7AK 21J but I would discount the notion either. At this point I'm inclined to listene to idea's, notions and theory's, but like you,now I want to see solid undeniable proof. This case is point has been tied to an Excellency version with a plain dial. Question is with a Harlequin dial, just what is it? Without an ad, none of us can say with absolute certanty. Gotta keep digging up ads and build the database, someday when we're dead and gone other's will find all of this info useful and I only hope admin is alot younger than I.
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