Ok...Who got this seller to do a BIN??

Seller must have got tired of the BIN offers, or took one that blew their socks off...fess up....

plainsmen
Posted October 24, 2011 - 11:50pm

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Wasn't me... that thing is unusual enough it could be wasn't any of us.  I'm sure his 30 Spaceviews for sale had a pretty big draw.

mybulova_admin
Posted October 25, 2011 - 12:33am

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I wish it was me...but alas it wasn't.

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shooter144
Posted October 25, 2011 - 7:27am

I found it originally ...cant be a real Bully...can it????

Daca102090
Posted October 29, 2011 - 1:55pm

I found a picture of this in the 2010 Price Guide book.  names it as a "Champ" model and says it was an early auto wind and should have a 13AP 17jewel movement. Page 707.

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timerestoration
Posted October 25, 2011 - 8:11am

 Wasn't me... anybody know the ebay number for this one?

OldTicker
Posted October 25, 2011 - 8:19am

It is an interesting piece shooter, the caseback was stamped Bulova, I think it was the real deal...

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timerestoration
Posted October 25, 2011 - 8:31am

 Does anyone know the ebay number on this one?

mybulova_admin
Posted October 25, 2011 - 4:42pm

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-LADIES-BULOVA-MECHANICAL-WRIST-WATCH-10K-GOLD-FILLED-/130590230754?pt=Wristwatches&hash=item1e67c8c8e2

Ellierose
Posted October 25, 2011 - 8:48am

This is an interesting piece. What is the name of this model exactly...What kind of movement and age...

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shooter144
Posted October 25, 2011 - 9:34am

I dont remember if the back was stamped or not, I thought not...Ill see if I saved it..

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Posted October 25, 2011 - 9:47am

late 30's, early 1940's 'PHYSICIAN'like. I own one with a 7AC (center seconds)

I'd guess 7AP or similar movement ? non Bulova Crown.

No shots of the movement or inner back were given, interestingly the caseback doesn't quite fit (?)

... or is that the ledge around the bezel perimeter?

 

OldTicker
Posted October 26, 2011 - 6:20pm

I agree Mark, The case looks alot like the Physician case, does your caseback look anything like the sellers watch??

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Posted October 26, 2011 - 9:13pm

Greg, very similar but in Stainless.

 Estimated early 1940's, could be late 40's - Swiss 7 AC with an Asterisk and a Square, go figure.

'CONQUEROR' and one othe model, 'CONRAD' (?) use the same glass (same bezel) and most likely have the Gold back (?)...a guess, but an educated one.

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timerestoration
Posted October 25, 2011 - 9:55am

 I would be VERY curious to see the movement. It would have to be a modified or hybrid BULOVA movement with the seconds at that position.

OldTicker
Posted October 25, 2011 - 6:11pm

I e-mailed the seller for some picts of the movement and other questions, never got a reply, maybe it was a factory prototype, it would take a lot of time, effort and engineering to turn an ordinary movement into this, let alone making this dial?

simpletreasures
Posted October 25, 2011 - 10:22am

Mark,"late 30's, early 1940's 'PHYSICIAN'like." Is that like being a little bit pregnant?

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shooter144
Posted October 25, 2011 - 4:46pm

Thats what it was, the caseback doesnt fit at all...its a monster....

bourg01
Posted October 26, 2011 - 8:05pm

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I'd bet some watchmaker got very creative with flipping the movement 180 degrees and having a custom dial made. This would not be unusal for the time but lets face what we know , we all have never seen anything like this and ads would show Bulova has never put the sub sec dial at the 12:00 position. I'll say Frankenbully, but a very fine one IMO. I think who ever did this was a master craftsman and they did a very good job building a custom job for a wealthy client. Personally, I like it for it's very unique style and design but I doubt we'll ever ID it.

mybulova_admin
Posted October 26, 2011 - 8:37pm

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Just flipping the movement wouldn't work as you'd end up with the crown and stem on the left side of the watch.

I say authentic.

bourg01
Posted October 27, 2011 - 6:01am

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Yes, absolutely, Where was my head when I was thinking that?? Duhhh, silly me.

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Posted October 26, 2011 - 9:09pm

from what I understand these type movements (inverted sub seconds) were mounted to gunners' Cameras during WWII to record the time of hits, I've also seen them called bomb timers, neither with applied Gilt numerals.

eg below is a Hammy, pardon the language.

not a very good example as it's not inverted, but You get the idea...

I'd say the subject Watch is a gun cam / timer movement in a Civilian Case. The Dial is a redial easily done by flipping a 'standard' Dial and applying the numerals and sig upside down - printed sub seconds chapter looks like an 'ORD DEPT' or 'WATERTITE' / 'AIR WARDEN' etc. Hour and Minute Hands are Gilt, Seconds Hand is Black which is something not seen on a production piece.

Nicely done, and as Jeff mentions it would be nice to see what's inside.

 

sobemia
Posted October 26, 2011 - 9:11pm

Hello there, this is sobemia, we will be relisting the mystery watch on Ebay tonight at about 11:00 PM EST with additional photos and information

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FifthAvenueRest...
Posted October 26, 2011 - 9:15pm

movement information would be spectacular.

plainsmen
Posted October 26, 2011 - 11:00pm

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Watch is back up!

Wow... never seen a movement cover like that on a Bulova before... Looks legit boys.  The back cover has the Bulova and bell symbol for a mid-1930's case.

13AP, 17 Jewels

I won't put the auction up but that's.... unusual.  You can find it.

Same movement from my mid-30's Jump Hour.  My opinion... prototype... or very very select uber small run.

I'm pretty excited to see how this ends!

OldTicker
Posted October 27, 2011 - 12:06am

Heh Heh...

He who bids last wins...

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shooter144
Posted October 27, 2011 - 4:03am

I was thinking it could have been an up down chrono with 1 dial covered...still no real pic of the mvmnt but it looks real, a double back case of some sort...

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shooter144
Posted October 27, 2011 - 4:07am

I dont see the Bulova Fifth Ave inside the case back in the last photo tho...but the outside is marked Bulova

bourg01
Posted October 27, 2011 - 6:13am

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This ones gonna go large. After seeing the new pics and the movement I'd say it's legit. I've never seen one of these movement models but it is shown in Cooksey's as an early autowind, 1930,  and named "Champ" also could be signed "Astor" on the dial.

Mystery no more folks.

mybulova_admin
Posted October 27, 2011 - 6:23am

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Hah, I thought it looked familiar.

I've added 'Champ' to the model list.

Winner take note.

simpletreasures
Posted November 2, 2011 - 7:56pm

Only a few hours left.... Go big or go home  ;-)

mybulova_admin
Posted October 27, 2011 - 6:13am

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Can anyone read the Patent number of the movement. Ite either a proto-type or a military timer as Firth pointed out.

May the Patent number may help itendify its intended purpose, if not that of a wrist watch.

I do hope that someone here wins the watch, as I'd love to see it added and become a much discussed item as we work out what it is exactly.

Good luck!

bourg01
Posted October 27, 2011 - 6:26am

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From Cooksey -Shugarts

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Posted October 27, 2011 - 7:02am

Pat looks like 0100843 or could be 0166843 (?)

bourg01
Posted October 27, 2011 - 7:14am

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I used a loupe and it looks like it's either 0156B43  or  0166B43.

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Posted October 27, 2011 - 1:32pm

So much for the loupe, heh..

interestingly, Cookseys example is showing a Modern style Hour Hand with an Index style Minute Hand. A combination seen before on several mid-late 30's Watches.

bourg01
Posted October 27, 2011 - 3:06pm

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Yea, getting old sucks. My eyes just don't work like they did when I was 20!

simpletreasures
Posted October 27, 2011 - 9:10pm

Shawn, if it's only your eyes, wait to you get to my age and you'll be bitching about all the body parts that used to work in our 20's...............   :-p

sobemia
Posted October 27, 2011 - 7:18am

Pat Swiss Cross Mark followed by 166843

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vintagebulova.com
Posted October 27, 2011 - 7:31am

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What we have here ladies and gents is an active discussion about a current EBay auction with the participation of the seller.  The perfect storm for a redonkulos bidding feeding frenzy.

 

Jay

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bourg01
Posted October 27, 2011 - 8:17am

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Jay,

It didn't start out like that, the auction had ended and that's when the thread was started. Obviously the seller's deal fell through and it was relisted a few days later. As for a bidding frenzy, you bet. The watch is quite rare and if you check out Cooksey's valuation will see just this watch may fetch at auction.

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timerestoration
Posted October 27, 2011 - 7:36am

 I'll be darned...this thing is powered by a Dental Engine..LOL!

OldTicker
Posted October 27, 2011 - 8:02am

I am hoping the the "Sock Drawer Syndrome" applies to this one as well. ; )

sobemia
Posted October 27, 2011 - 12:47pm

Hold your horses please dear Bulova collectors, there are still honest people in this world. There is no deal that fell through. We simply pulled the watch out of auction because we realized  a mistake was made describing it as a mechanical Ladies's watch and I posted the Pat# info here here so you guys have access to more data, not to benefit from your research. Do you see anything mentioned in my description that this watch is featured @ Mybulova?

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Posted October 27, 2011 - 1:24pm

.... prime example of the double edged sword of discussing 'online auction' items. 

IMO this thread should be removed as it is now active.

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Posted October 27, 2011 - 1:44pm

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I agree 157%.  This thread should have gone bye bye as soon as the auction went live again.

Jay

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Wayne Hanley
Posted October 27, 2011 - 1:44pm

Thanks for the clarification Sobeme! It ends that particular bit of speculation. Good Luck with your auction!

bourg01
Posted October 27, 2011 - 3:04pm

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Admin, I would agree with Jay and Mark but only to a point. Is it possible to delete only portions of the thread that relate to the live listing? It would be a shame to lose the whole discussion, the pics, etc.,  given that an ID has been found and a new model has been added to the database.

OldTicker
Posted October 27, 2011 - 6:49pm

There are no links to the new auction, and its not a secret anymore, I'm sure the snipes are already set and it is in everyone's watch list, so deleting this post would serve no purpose other than freeing up webspace.

Good Luck Everyone!!

plainsmen
Posted October 27, 2011 - 7:01pm

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Agreed

simpletreasures
Posted October 27, 2011 - 9:12pm

I second!