MINT CONIDITION MARTHA WASHINGTON

hello i recieved this watch in a lot of a few others..i am almost positive that it is a martha washington..the dial is mint and the case is in great shape...it doesn't run although the staff is good and probably just needs a cleaning..i was going to make it my second ladies watch to work on after i complete a ladies hamilton that also came in this lot...i was wondering if anyone here would want to trade anything for it...i don't know what i am going to do with it...my wife isn't interested,so i figure someone here might want it.like i said it is just about mint..the lady who had it used it on a pendent pin to wear it..so i wasn't worn on a wrist where it could get beat up...but if anyone is intrested in it message me..i am not trying to retire on it so don't think that..i just don't want the thing to go to waste...here are some pics..i hope someone can enjoy it more than i can or has a GF or wife to give it toothe movement is a 17j 6az,which for some reason i can't find it now..

simpletreasures
Posted January 17, 2012 - 12:27pm

You can't find it in the data base cuz it isn't there :-) feel free to enter it along with the date code, it would be much appreciated!

Ellierose
Posted January 17, 2012 - 12:48pm

right i could swear that i have seen this watch advertised as a martha washington...maybe not here but on yahoo images...i couldn't even find other watches with this movement even though there are ladies watches with the same 6az,that didn't come up...anyway when i get a change i will the date code is 1938 which is the  crestent moon...

simpletreasures
Posted January 17, 2012 - 12:51pm

I looks like the Martha Washington "D"

NOVA
Posted January 17, 2012 - 12:57pm

simpletreasures
Posted January 17, 2012 - 1:08pm

I can do inserts also!

NOVA
Posted January 17, 2012 - 1:11pm

So what's the difference between the regular and the "D"?

NOVA
Posted January 17, 2012 - 1:26pm

This version of the Martha lacks the side step, but the first ad (above) shows it with the step.

simpletreasures
Posted January 17, 2012 - 1:26pm

I'm assuming the "regular" is the identified "D" which was only shown in 1 ad as the "D".

I think the regular model is the round case version???????????

NOVA
Posted January 17, 2012 - 1:29pm

Not according to the ad I just posted. 

It appears that we have a round Martha, a square Martha without the step, a square Martha with the step, and a square Martha D with the step.

simpletreasures
Posted January 17, 2012 - 1:40pm

I compared Ellierose's to what was in the data base and was identified as the "D" variant with the step.

I think part of "OUR" problem with the ads is that in the "old days" print copy was sold by the word, so to speak. So the more wording (including) model identification etc. the more costly the ad for the manufacturer.

OR.............. maybe they just didn't think it was necessary?

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FifthAvenueRest...
Posted January 17, 2012 - 1:34pm

'A' 'B' 'C' 'D' and whatever comes next.

Model Name variants which are not identified in the ad (s).

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William Smith
Posted January 17, 2012 - 4:57pm

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My challange when I go to look for ads, watch examples in database, etc...

When doing a search for 6AZ from mybulova.com watches- I also get no example in database.  This search does not include unknown's which have been entered - even if those unknowns have a 6AZ.  So there could be examples, we just can't query based on unknown model name. 

I check mybulova.com movements page-and find no 6AZ entered.  We already know this is not updated automatically on entry, and may or may not include unknown model names regardless of movement calibre.  I' m not sure what this page includes now.  It is not inclusive of what is out there, only (some) of what we have entered by individual watch in our database.

So Ellierose says "i couldn't even find other watches with this movement even though there are ladies watches with the same 6az,that didn't come up" - He is "sure" he saw one, and most likely did- for a short period of time.  This is because they are in the databse of watches as unknowns, but cannot be queried.  We get a chance to "see" the unknows as they are posted on "new and updated" watches list on the right side of most webpages, but after a short while, they dissapear off the bottom of this screen and are only available to admin and the person who posted the watch, until they get a model name field entered. 

Am I correct here?  Doesn't this make it difficult to imposible for the panel (or ohters) to go look at associated data of older unknows in database - let alone try to name them?

Ellierose notes mvnt datecode is 1938, but when I check outside source, I find the 6AZ was produced only in 1940, 17J -AND I question that source as all inclusive - that the 6AZ was only produced for one year.    

Does anyone know the date range of production of 6AZ? I checked ePay atcive and closed. I checked Renttf, Dashto, etc...  It may be based on the A-V 120 ebauch, as it's cited as having diff. charactoristics than the FHF 120's used in similar 6xx movements w/ larger production date range?  and I don't have one laying around nor can access these data from this site as per above? 

Ellierose
Posted January 17, 2012 - 5:00pm

exactly will,

NOVA
Posted January 17, 2012 - 5:12pm

You can search the Unknowns.  Here's how:

- Click "Search" on the menu bar

- Click on "MyBulovaWatches"

- Click on "Help Identify an 'Uknown' Bulova Watch"

Then enter your search criteria in the fields.  Movement is one of the searchable fields.

 

NOVA
Posted January 17, 2012 - 5:29pm

You can also search the entire site, including known and unknown models and posts, by clicking on "Search".  A single field will appear allowing you to put in whatever search criteria you choose.  That way, you can see if what you're looking for was ever discussed, even if not entered into the watch databases.  For example, I just searched on "6AZ" and got this thread as the only result.

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FifthAvenueRest...
Posted January 17, 2012 - 5:54pm

The 'UNKNOWN' search has never worked for Me while using the 'Search MyBulova Watches' - only when You click the 'Help identify blah, blah,' can the 'UNKNOWN's be viewed and searched.

There has to be a way to link the 'UNKNOWN' to 'Search MyBulova Watches'

NOVA
Posted January 17, 2012 - 6:16pm

I agree that the most direct way to search the "Unknowns" is to enter the "Unknown" database through the "Help Idenfity an 'Unknown' Bulova Watch" link.  HOWEVER, the general, whole site search does also pick up "Unknown" entries.  I just confirmed that again by searching on "1910", which I knew had an entry in the "Unknown" DB.  That entry did come up in the search results.

The general, whole site search also picks up entries in the movement database.

simpletreasures
Posted January 17, 2012 - 5:17pm

I have entered more new movements into the data base than I can count and have never had a delay or review on any of them. When I put a new one in the DB I always add a note/post with the date so I and others can see exactly when it was entered or discovered.

To my understanding, if the movement isn't in the data base and you do a search based on movement model it won't show up anywhere.

This is why I'm always "Harping" on members that post a watch with a movement that isn't covered by the DB to put it in! Otherwise it like a "Fart in a Thunderstorm"....

BTW, when I come across a new movement that I/we don't have I copy it to my hard drive for verification if needed.

simpletreasures
Posted January 17, 2012 - 5:21pm

Ellierose, I just added your 6AZ to the data base and inserted a note giving you the find.

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William Smith
Posted January 17, 2012 - 6:55pm

Club 5000Panel Member

Thanks so much Nova and all.  That's how we get to the unknowns.  and the second option of searching the entire site gets to both knows and unknows alike. 

I'm obviously not at the library yet........and am not gonna find any new ads here   :)

NOVA
Posted January 17, 2012 - 6:57pm

. . . and the second option also gets you forum posts and movement database entries.

Ellierose
Posted January 17, 2012 - 7:48pm

thanks to everyone who commented on this watch..let me be the first to correct myself, the watch isn't exactly mint, but great shape anyhow