Antimagnetic Wind-Up Watch Bulova

Does anyone know what year was the first year Bulova started putting antimagnetic on the dial? I have a Bulova on its way that has this above the six on the dial and Bulova in its normal spot under the 12. Thing is i dont know what movement it has as i never got a shot of the inside movement.

Jim Townsend
Posted February 26, 2012 - 1:02pm

 

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FifthAvenueRest...
Posted February 26, 2012 - 6:34am

"Does anyone know what year was the first year Bulova started putting antimagnetic on the dial"

 

Yes, they didn't!

'FRANKENBULLY'

IMO.

Jim Townsend
Posted February 26, 2012 - 11:11am

So its not a Bulova is that what your saying? If its not a Bulova is it a knockoff on a bulova? It is a manual wind watch with 4 real diamonds at 12 ,3 ,6 and 9 oclock

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William Smith
Posted February 26, 2012 - 12:22pm

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Perhaps it's an aftermarked dial, or a jewelers custom dial and for what ever reason, they decided to place Bulova and antimagnetic on the dial.  Maybe some "company" made a bunch of these dials, and there are more out there.  I don't recall any marketed Bulova w/ antimagnetic on the dial .  When ya get it and we have more and better pictures, more will be revealed.

Jim Townsend
Posted February 26, 2012 - 12:54pm

Ya i want to see the movement at least i am hoping that will be legit.

Jim Townsend
Posted February 26, 2012 - 1:07pm

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Posted February 26, 2012 - 2:39pm

Aftermarket or 'replacement' Cases come with a Dial.

http://www.ofrei.com/page675.html

You have to know what to look for when Buying or You're going to get burned.

Jim Townsend
Posted February 26, 2012 - 3:20pm

Ya i will be more careful in the future. Only got 15.00 bucks in this one and if it runs like they said it did  my wife will wear this watch.

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William Smith
Posted February 26, 2012 - 6:25pm

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That's certainly an affordable lesson regardless! 

Jim Townsend
Posted February 27, 2012 - 4:57pm

What a dope i was ! Not even a bulova movement i didnt think it would be Cheap Hong Kong knock off. :( It does run though and keeps time so the wife will wear it. Lesson learned!!!!!

will91gt
Posted March 11, 2012 - 10:42pm

Thats new to me. I only have only seen cheap clone Rolexs, Seikos, Omegas high end watches of the 70's to  pres. When was Bulova invaded with these kind of things? Are there years or decades to look out for?

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William Smith
Posted March 14, 2012 - 1:52pm

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I had commented a couple months ago that I was not aware of any Bulova knock-off's because I didn't think there was enough profit for this at a production scale.  Live and learn.  I found reference to trademark infringement lawsuit which was apparently spanned many years (1933 thru the 1950's???).  Apparently a US national citizen (Sidney Steele) living in the USA owned a watch production/assembly company in Mexico.  This company started using the Bulova signature on the dials around 1933 (I'm not sure how the movements or cases were hallmarked/signed).  The owner applied for and was granted the Mexican equivalent of a patent for the name Bulova at this time.  Although Bulova brought suit and lost several times over the years, the use continued.  Although the trademark Bulova was registered in USA from a 1927 trademark act, and again under the Lenham act of 1946, the USA had no jurisdiction over the use in Mexico.  Bulova took the case to appeals in 1952, and again lost. 

It appears that Steel purchased watch movements from various places, including Swiss movements, and for a period of time purchased cases and dials in USA (among other places), and used these in his Mexico assembly plant.  It would be interesting to see how the movements and cases were stamped. 

For those interested, you can read more about the appeals case of 1952 here. 

http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/194/567/460388/

So this constituted a large scale production of knock-off Bulova, which the case record indicates had substantial influx of these watches into USA for many years.    Apparently these watches were advertised in Mexico simultaneously with legitimate Bulova advertising, which must have increased their sales there.   

Now us collectors can be on the lookout for the "Mexican Bulova", although it sounds like it would be a poor counterfeit at best...and I don't know what any of these watches actually looked like.

 

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Reverend Rob
Posted March 14, 2012 - 4:19pm

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I think it would be safe to assume that the quality factor would be lacking, regardless of the Swiss movts used. We know what movt was supposed to have been used, and we can compare that with ones found in suspicious watches. I very much doubt Steele would have been able to purchase the same movts Bulova used, so the stamps won't jive with the movt ID. For example, a movt stamped '10BC' must be an AS 1200. If it isn't, we would know it was an attempt at forgery. Similarly, the case materials and amount of gold fill should point to the watch being a likely fake. I don't think I've ever come across a Bulova where my first reaction was surprise at lack of quality, but I'll certainly be much more vigilant in future. Also, there may be more of these in the US than Canada. 

I must say, your research is very much appreciated, William, I think this is extremely important information, and will be of interest to all Bulova collectors. This answers the question: Who would fake a Bulova?

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Posted March 14, 2012 - 4:41pm

Point well taken Willaim.

We see a lot of the unsigned 'Bulova' Cases appearing at around the same time (1933 - 34).

Coincidence?