1966-67 Excellency "D"...The Diamond edge crystal

One of the first watches that I entered into the database over a year & a half ago was a 1966 17J White Gold Diamond dial that was unknown, it remained that way for a few months until one of our members, William (Scott) of Watchcrystals.net give it a ID as a Senator model through watch crystal spec's.

Every Senator crystal I tried just didn't fit opening right without some filing, and all were missing the "Diamond edge" like the original. After months of searching, I finally found the exact crystal for this watch which has a case number of 2687. The name on the packet is Excellency "D"

I also have aquired a couple more over the months including a Yellow Gold model, all 17J, all using a 11AL movement, all with a brushed silver dial sporting a real diamond at 3 & 9, all with the 2687 ink stamped case number, and all between 1966-67.

This should be enough proof to change this ID to the "Excellency" model, but I am not sure what the "D" would stand for?? Diamond dial, or model variant??...Thoughts welcome...

 

 

plainsmen
Posted April 8, 2012 - 9:52pm

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Sweet set man.  Fantastic you figured it out all on your own.  

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FifthAvenueRest...
Posted April 9, 2012 - 3:12am

Greg,

The GS packet is indicating the Crystal fits Case 1146E-2, Case 2687 and the 'EXCELLENCY D'.

The 'EXCELLENCY' will be 21 Jewels.

 

OldTicker
Posted April 9, 2012 - 8:00am

The 1146E is the Bulova part number for the factory replacement crystal, and "Excellency" became a series of watches in which many were 17J in the late 60's.

 

 

 

Kunapets
Posted April 9, 2012 - 7:45pm

Mark - Ken Stepanuk re. the 2 watches I sent to you. Could not get to you via regular e-mail, so trying this. Glad to see you have not given up on this forum.

 

KS

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FifthAvenueRest...
Posted April 9, 2012 - 10:15am

1146E will fit Case # 1146.

Do We have any ads showing a 17 Jewel 'EXCELLENCY' in the 1960's or any Year for that matter???

I also have a box which marked 'EXCELLENCE COLLECTION' and not 'EXCELLENCY'. The box is White, inside there is a 21 Jeweled piece.

OldTicker
Posted April 9, 2012 - 6:28pm

Here is what is on inside of the box...

17J Golden Clipper...1970...Sword not included...: )

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FifthAvenueRest...
Posted April 9, 2012 - 7:29pm

Nice!...,but the 'CLIPPER' is not a 'HIS EXCELLENCY'.

nor is this 'HIS EXCELLENCY POCKET WATCH' - 17Jewels.

...or the 'HIS EXCELLENCY DEEP SEA CHRONOGRAPH' - 17 Jewels

both N.O.S.

 

For some reason the late 1960's and early '70's Blue or White Hexagonal boxes all have 'EXCELLENCE COLLECTION' on the lid (a decal) - this does not indicate that the Watch inside is a 'HIS EXCELLENCY' model.

 

OldTicker
Posted April 9, 2012 - 7:52pm

Not saying this watch is a "His Excellency" model, but a "Excellency" model...they dropped the "His" off of it when the changed their marketing campaign in the late 60's...Kind of like what the did with the jewel count on the "President"..21, then 17, then 23, and then 30.

There is a Bulova crystal catalog out there with factory Bulova crystal part numbers that fit the case numbers on the mid 60's on up cases with numbers either ink-stamped or machine stamped into the caseback. The part numbers are different than the numbers on the back...like this example...

I have been searching for one of these catalogs for a long time, but still haven't found one.

The model reference in the mid to late 60's aftermarket BB & GS catalogs use the factory part numbers as a interchange number, but list them as a model number like they do with the other brands.

Question?? Has anyone seen an "His Excellency" 1946-1959 with the Diamond edge crystal???, or one that the Diamond edge crystal might fit??

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William Smith
Posted April 9, 2012 - 8:22pm

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Old Ticker....maybe someone on site has a PDF version of this catalog and would be willing to share for non-commercial use?  I don't have it, and you probably have the digital crystal catalogs I do have, but I can share mine w/ you. It's nice when we have the same tools in hand..and these catalogs are great tools.

OldTicker
Posted April 9, 2012 - 8:27pm

I would be glad to share the catalogs I have, but they are all hard copy, and I am not enough of a "Puter" wiz to convert them...; (