Air Queen

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bobbee
Posted May 5, 2012 - 3:23am

Very nice, Jim. In good condition too.

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FifthAvenueRest...
Posted May 5, 2012 - 8:20am

Hey troops.

There was a list of possible Models this Watch could be posted some time ago by Member glasswatchcrystal in this thread: http://www.mybulova.com/watches/1950-berkshire-2201

Those Models are -

"ladies crystal 10.4mm fits these bulova watches"

Black Beauty

Carla (6776)

Coral

Eva

Lady Berkshire

Lady Maxim

Nocturne

 

I see no mention of a 'Lady Air King'

2c

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Bob Bruno
Posted May 5, 2012 - 8:28am

Club 5000

In the drop down menu of the add a watch we have

1. Air Queen

2. Air Queen A

3. Air Queen C

That makes more sense to me than Lady Air King.

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bobbee
Posted May 5, 2012 - 9:01am

Very sensible, Sir.

Jim Townsend
Posted May 5, 2012 - 10:42am

Air Queen it is my bad i should have known that.

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FifthAvenueRest...
Posted May 5, 2012 - 11:23am

hmmm,

No 'AIR QUEEN' mentioned in the list of possibilities.

here is the list once more

 

Black Beauty

Carla (6776)

Coral

Eva

Lady Berkshire

Lady Maxim

Nocturne

NOVA
Posted May 5, 2012 - 12:06pm

We have no information regarding where/how Scott obtained that list, so we have no way to evaluate its accuracy or completeness.  We do know that Scott sometimes obtained his model names from eBay listings, which is not a reliable source of information.

To be relied upon for a model ID (or to negate one), crystal information should be supported by a specific catalog reference or crystal packet that names the model.

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FifthAvenueRest...
Posted May 5, 2012 - 12:17pm

Very well said, but in this instance Scott did not provide the list. The list was provided by member glasswatchcrystal, as mentioned, and according to Her comment in the linked thread the reference was 1952 GS catalog.

NOVA
Posted May 5, 2012 - 12:36pm

Interesting, because that's not at all what I read in that thread.  Here's the quote:

"I do not know much about the watches but I do know some about the crystals since that is what I sell. I was looking thru my WC catalog and I found the  ladies crystal 10.4mm fits these bulova watches. . . . "

No reference to 1952 GS Catalog at all.  Only a vague reference to WC, which doesn't even provide a specific catalog reference.  And no specific crystal name was given for any of the models.  Another thing that should be required to support or negate an ID.

 

UPDATE:  Actually, the discussion in that thread gets even better.   You asked for a year reference on the crystal catalog she was using, and her reply was,

"To be honest  I am not sure.  I purchased them on a Ebay a few years ago. They are all hand typed loose sheets not like the other WC catalogs I have. . . ." 

She later dates the "loose sheets" to 1954.

I'm not saying that she's not correct, but I am saying that this is similar to basing a model ID on a post that's since been deleted.  More information is needed.

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DarHin
Posted May 5, 2012 - 12:37pm

It's probably a good idea to also have a second independent reference in another catalog, be it the same manufacturer or another. I've seen what I believe to be a typo in a GS catalog referencing a Bulova "Oceanographic" instead of the known "Oceanographer".

NOVA
Posted May 5, 2012 - 12:42pm

Similar to the long standing debate regarding the "Treasure" vs "Treasurer", also found in a crystal catalog, and leading to much confusion and disagreement about the correct name of certain watches.

Jim Townsend
Posted May 5, 2012 - 12:41pm

Why are we splitting hairs Fifth you know and i know that this was the ladys version of the Air King Dial and all are right on to the Air King.  I understand you want everything to be perfect. But we do not live in a perfect world and none of us are perfect. As i have both NOW side by side they are a Pair. Just as the His and hers Berkshires that i also have His  and hers. I know this and you know it.  As for the correct name who cares. I just know i have them. Both sets.......

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FifthAvenueRest...
Posted May 5, 2012 - 2:47pm

 

  Jim Townsend Posted May 5, 2012 - 1:41pm

'As for the correct name who cares.'

 

Well Jim,

Being that You ask, I for one.

Jim Townsend
Posted May 5, 2012 - 6:32pm

Figures it would be you God of the Bulova.

Jim Townsend
Posted May 5, 2012 - 12:50pm

One final word on this and i am done. I will NOT post another watch on this site as i am just fed up with the bickering. I will continue to use this site and talk to the friends that i have made through pm. I think to few of the members need everything perfect and this sometimes isnt possible. Most of these watches posted will never have the information to back them up as it has been way to many years. Alot of this information will never be known. To bad people cant be civil and not piss and moan and fight. Healthy discussion is a good thing when things get out of hand and personal then its no longer fun. It is better to shut up not post and do my research form the shadows.

Lisa WONDERFUL SITE. I have still not viewed all your cool watches but i will in time, I have one of the biggest flea markets  in Michigan tomorrow i will be looking through the 600 + dealers to find any information on Bulovas ads dates etc. As well as looking to add more neat old Bulovas to my own collection.

NOVA
Posted May 5, 2012 - 1:11pm

Jim, sometimes we all let our inner child have a bit too much freedom.  It happens.  But I think we all have the same goals, i.e., to talk about watches, explore various ideas, and search for more reliable facts.  It's a process, and not always an easy one. 

You simply can't bring a group of completely disparate people together and expect them to all get along all the time.  Families and friends don't manage perfect accord, so why should we, who know each other in such a limited context? 

You post some great watches, and it would be a shame for the site to lose that. (Plus, I like it that you give Fifth back a little of his own "tude".)

My advice is, take the day off from watches and come back ready to talk another day.

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DarHin
Posted May 5, 2012 - 1:02pm

I don't know what it was like before I joined a few months ago but I haven't noticed any difference in the discussions.

Jim Townsend
Posted May 5, 2012 - 4:11pm

It has been like this since day one for me DarHin. Every watch i have ever posted Fifth has found fault treated me like an idiot etc. I have tried to put it aside and not let it get me down. This is the most complete site on Bulovas out there. But Lisa is getting it together on her own and has a wonderful site. I read some of the comments on her site and ya know what not one foul out of the way remark. It was a true pleasure getting a break from the children and visiting Lisa's site to mingel with adults. Peace to ya and Keep up the good work. I have learned alot from your post and you are a great and valuable asset to this site.

mybulova_admin
Posted May 5, 2012 - 10:17pm

Club 5000Panel Member

The Air Queen model name is legit and therefore the likelihood that this watch is an 'Air Queen' , and until such time that we have proof to the contrary this watch gets its 2 stars as the rules of the site dictate.

Jim have you added it to the watch listing? If not I would be very thankful if you could do the site a favor and add it as a record for future users of the site.

Please remember to keep 'ALL' comments related to the watch only otherwise it will be deleted.