Bulova 1921 Lady Maxim

11/10 votes
Model ID rating explained.
2.55
Manufacture Year: 
1922
Movement Model: 
A.A.I.
Movement Jewels: 
17
Movement Serial No.: 
6153
Case Serial No.: 
2321
Case shape: 
Tonneau
Case Manufacturer: 
American Standard
Gender: 
Ladies
Additional Information: 

 Recently acquired this one... a real Mystery! 1924 is a guess. Movement is 8 1/2 lignes, case is 18K non-Bulova. I found a post on NAWCC site about a similar Lady Maxim (no photo). The case was 14K gold filled, but had the same manufacturer's stamp. Is this a BULOVA, or was it made for another company by BULOVA??

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J. Bulova Company. Makers of the Famous Lady Maxim and Rubaiyat Watches.

 

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shooter144
Posted January 22, 2012 - 7:42pm

I keep seeing posts where a " Panel Member" has asked someone to change what they have, thru a pm I would guess, since I dont see it on the forum, and I think this needs to stop. One panel member makes not a "Panel". Voice your concerns public like, and a consensus can then be made and changes can be discussed. The only single voice on this site that makes ANY final decisions is called ADMIN, the rest of us need to stick with just ideas , suggestions, and opinions, in public on the forum, and stop sending pms asking or telling people to change their entries.

Just my 2 cents worth.

 

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FifthAvenueRest...
Posted January 22, 2012 - 8:07pm

I agree.

If a Panel member disagrees' with a Watches ID it should be done in the Watch post.

The Dial and Hands are troubling on this particular Watch though.

IMO

Ellierose
Posted January 22, 2012 - 9:59pm

i wish i had this much time to research everything i would like too..since the local library doesn't have too much on watchmaking or vintage advertisements on anything let alone watch co. and the internet ads are limited to what someone is usally selling (not here of course) its hard to find vintage ads...i when to google mag for ads that i couldn't find on forums or anywhere else to look at the old ads..but they seem to only have life mags on record not to many others for some reason i don't know...anyway i agree that asking someone to remove something just because they don't believe something is a bulova is alittle rude..it should be a panel..unless they are the one paying for the site....dials could be aftermarket which was discussed here before too..so that could be the case on the dial, but it sounds like the  fact is that bulova did make a lady maxim and just didn't add bulova on this one. or maybe it rubbed off after the years...i have seen makers names on dials rub off and you could never tell if they where there or not..although where bulova would be written,would have been alittle odd on this dial..but what do i know.. 

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FifthAvenueRest...
Posted January 22, 2012 - 10:14pm

Well, We don't have much else to do other than research....

simpletreasures
Posted January 22, 2012 - 10:17pm

Hey! I resemble that remark!!!!!!!!!

simpletreasures
Posted January 22, 2012 - 9:59pm

Shooter, I'm assuming you can read?  I stated in a post on this thread at the top of this page I disagreed with the ID on this in a PM and Open forum and sent my reasoning in a message to Admin also. The "COMMON SENSE" behind my objection is that there is no proof that Bulova ever put out a watch, in the time frame that this watch dates to with a "model name" on the dial. If you have contradictory info or pictures please feel free to interject them into the post! I'm betting you can't.

Your "Excellency" theory doesn't hold water either. Not even close to the the same time period. Also your comment about Bulova using American Standard during this time frame, SO WHAT? So did about half a dozen other watch companies! I didn't call this particular watch a Frakenbully before, but I am now.

Shooter, please go back to the beginning of this entire thread and re-read ALL the back and forths, When you come to the one (by me) where I stated basically I had the same watch, now I actually have FOUR, 2 of which are marked Bulova, one has no name on the face, and the Lady Maxim.

My contention is, This is not a PURE Bulova Watch, based on my research.

If you have any "Hard Evidence" to the contrary please bring it forward, I'd be happy to eat Crow!

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shooter144
Posted January 22, 2012 - 11:33pm

You are asking me to provide hard evidence, and yet you are only providing conjecture and opinion, any of wich could be reversed and used to 'prove ' it is a Bulova just as you believe it disproves it. Bulova DID use cases from this company, so It COULD be a Bulova, the mvmnt IS a Bulova and just because we havent seen other named watches in this era doesnt mean they didnt name this one. We just dont know for sure, therefore we cannot say it IS or IS NOT an original Bulova. Your opinion is valid, and an educated one, however it is still just that, an opinion. Im not saying it is or isnt a Bulova, only that if you feel you can disprove it through opinion and conjecture, then the known facts and posibilities are just as valid.

 I did not mean this as a personal attack on you or your opinion, I was only trying to point out that with what is known it could be a valid Bulova just as eassily as it could not be. We just cant say for sure either way, and for anyone to tell someone to change their id based only on their own opinion is wrong, and as someone else said , rude, and presumptuous.

I did see where you made a public post after the fact, but I still wanted to make that point. This site is designed, and I believe intended to bring together the knowledge and research of many in order to help us all, and for one panel member to tell a non panel member in private to change their id of a watch, to me at least, is an abuse of the position of knowledge and respect given to said panel member. I think it was wrong of you to do this.

You are a very knowledgeable member here, much more so than I , and had you done this to me, I would have felt very pressured to change something that hasnt even really been discussed, simply because you, a very knowledgeable panel member said so...and that is wrong and doesnt fit with what I believe is intended for this site.

If you are offended by my opinion on this, my apologies, but I would be willing to bet I am not alone in this particular opinion.

 

 

simpletreasures
Posted January 23, 2012 - 12:09am

Shooter, I don't offend easily and wasn't offended by your post. My basis for asking Timerestorations to remove the watch was only based on several facts.

1. Timerestorations said in his original post that he was returning the watch to the seller based on misrepresentation by the seller as to gold content. But in his description he also voiced his concern that this watch was probably Bulova only in movement. I totally agree on that point.

2. Common sense and one hell of a lot of research to this date has never turned up a Bulova watch with the Model name printed on the dial. Except in later(and I'm referring to 25 to 30 years) years later.

3. None of the 20's ads show any Model names printed on the dials.

4. No evidence has ever come forward on the "Lady Maxim" by Bulova. Nothing has ever surfaced here or any other collector site, book or price guide during the time that these movements date to.

5. Last and final point is I believe that leaving it in the data base as (now this is key) IDENTIFIED by name is a dis service to every one who visits this site beliveing that the true name of this watch is "Lady Maxim" especially to the casual visitor, so to speak.

To me, without a ad, reference documentation, hang tag, old coffin case, or anything else it's not a named watch.

Common sense tells me it's not a true Bulova , and I've never been a fan of "Bad information is better than no information"...

simpletreasures
Posted January 22, 2012 - 10:04pm

Mark, per your comment about the dial and hands.....

Your gut won't ever decieve you grasshopper!!!

Also your ad reference is nice but what 12 or 13 years late??

Ellierose
Posted January 23, 2012 - 12:32am

instead of old men i think some argue like married couples..lol..please no one take offense, its a joke...quick question where do westfields fit in the bulova history..