Bulova 1925 -Unknown

Model ID rating explained.
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Manufacture Year: 
1925
Movement Symbol: 
Circle
Movement Model: 
10A
Movement Jewels: 
17
Movement Serial No.: 
153779
Case Serial No.: 
4667
Case shape: 
CornerCut
Case Manufacturer: 
Bulova
Crystal Details: 
seems original to watch
Gender: 
Mens
Additional Information: 

18k white gold, no patent date.

cartouche of a ladies head in an oval just under the 18k.

luminous numbers and hands

 

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Geoff Baker
Posted April 15, 2013 - 5:31am

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Beautiful as it is, I agree that it should be "Unknown".

bourg01
Posted April 15, 2013 - 10:06pm

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Since we see very few ads for solid gold Bulova's I have to agree with UnKnown.

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William Smith
Posted April 15, 2013 - 10:24pm

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With the case signature "Bulova W Co" I'm wondering if the case is more likely from 1924 (or 1923?) and was fitted with a 1925 movement for sale in 1925.    Movement does have the circle date symbol listed in the root record, although I can't really make it out in the picture.

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William Smith
Posted October 14, 2014 - 7:55am

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What do ya think gang?  Great case from 1923 based on case signature?  What a beauty!!

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bobbee
Posted October 14, 2014 - 4:20pm

I agree, I have seen this case enamelling design in other case makes too.

Pre-April 1923 case.

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Reverend Rob
Posted October 14, 2014 - 7:29pm

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Variations in the solid gold cases have been noted elsewhere, possibly pointing to different suppliers/casemakers. Solid cases go through a different process when being assembled, as each case must be assayed. (This may have been law at one time, and may have changed) 

I'm not finding much useful in the way of hard manufacturing data regarding precious metal cases. It would have been incredibly time consuming to have each case assayed, and depending on the case design, they would have been stamped out or possibly cast for the bulkier cases. Perhaps the gold sheet or the gold is assayed before the pour or stamping?

An additional note: White Gold is more trouble to assay than any other colour, and the touchstone method in the early days would not have sufficed. 

Anyway, I agree with the 1923 or earlier date. A difference of two years is not unusual as far as the dedication especially is concerned. 

 

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bobbee
Posted October 15, 2014 - 3:41am

This case has a figure stamped inside the case back, and this is probably the "Lady of Bern" Swiss export mark for gold watch cases.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Watch_cases_hallmarks.jpg

mybulova_admin
Posted November 9, 2014 - 1:58am

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You have far better eye sight then I. :-) Did this get changed from Conqueror to Unknown recently?

 

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William Smith
Posted November 9, 2014 - 2:02pm

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I didn't change the ID on this one.  I seem to remember this one was listed as a 1925 Conqueror for a while, but not sure on that.  When I do change a model name, I note what it was changed from, and that change only occurs after panel consensus or after running through the "red zone" again for voting.  This way we know the progression of the ID over time.

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bobbee
Posted November 9, 2014 - 8:10am

Just call me "Hawkeye"! The shape of the cartouche makes a differenc to the actual hallmark ID too.

Also the Helvetia head is solely for the European market. 

I think the name was changed by consensus a year or two ago.