Bulova 1924 -Unknown

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Manufacture Year: 
1925
Movement Symbol: 
Triangle
Movement Model: 
17TR
Movement Jewels: 
17
Movement Serial No.: 
2175
Case Serial No.: 
1590525
Case shape: 
Round
Crystal Details: 
Recently replaced.
Gender: 
Mens
Additional Information: 

This was my Grandfather's pocket watch. I would be very interested as to the date of construction, and if it is possible to get the proper 'hairspring'....this is what my local watch repairman said I needed. He cleaned it, put another crystal in it (the old one was very yellowed, plastic I think...I think the new one is also....is this proper?)....I'm not really sure what year the watch is...the repairman said he saw a triangle symbol inside...I couldn't see it...according to the symbol as I understand it it would be a 1935 or 1926. Can you help me with this?

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Reverend Rob
Posted October 12, 2012 - 7:31pm

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The dial may have no Logo or mark, but it screams Bulova to me. I agree it is probably older than we think, as Mark mentioned.

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William Smith
Posted October 12, 2012 - 8:11pm

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I think the dial sigature just "wore off" in subject watch, as did the hour numerals.   Interesting how close the case serial numbers are between Admin's Prince of Whales (1659162) and AmericanGurl's unknown Fifth posts/links above (1659068). (neither are subject watch).  If AmericanGurl's unknown is pre-1924 but late c1922 then the movement signature of Bulova Watch Co. would be correct vs the earlier Bulova W Co signature.

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bobbee
Posted October 12, 2012 - 8:35pm

I note the owner mentions a triangular stamp under the balance. As admin's PoW has a movement so numerically close to this one, maybe he remembers if his had a similar mark, and if so what it was.
Stephen ?

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bobbee
Posted November 11, 2012 - 7:48am

1926 ad

The CAVALIER.

Engraving can just be seen on bezel in ad.

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Reverend Rob
Posted November 11, 2012 - 10:36am

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Apart from the bow, it does look to be a match.

Cavalier for me. 

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William Smith
Posted October 14, 2014 - 7:04am

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Wish we knew who manufactured the case.  I've PM'ed owner a few times over the years, but no reply.

Cavalier?  Well I don't know.  We don't know for sure its even a Bulova case.

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1955mercury
Posted October 14, 2014 - 1:25pm

I hope it's ok if I ask a question about this watch. Have any of you ever seen a Bulova movement attached in the case the way this one is? It has little tabs under the two case screws. They don't look like they are factory nor that they belong. Seems there would be slots in the case for them to fit in if this watch was made like this so as to center the movement in the case. If you look at the outer edge of the movement you can see a space all the way around it, like it's too small for this case.  Another thing I noticed is something on the dial. When I blow the photo up 200%, I can see what looks like a "M" or an "N" as the last letter in the rectangle under the 12. I'm thinking it could have originally had "MAXIM" or possibly "ELGIN" printed there. What's your thoughts?

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William Smith
Posted October 14, 2014 - 1:37pm

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Yea I see those little tabs now.  Good observations.  I'm thinking its a marriage, and it may not be in a Bulova (or Am Std) case.  I'll try to stretch the dial image when I get on my computer with image processing software to see if we can get a little more info on the name in the rectangle.

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bobbee
Posted October 14, 2014 - 3:05pm

Well spotted merc, that movement does not originate in that watch case, I see no familiar markings on the inner case back.

Look at the gaping, yawning chasm between movement and case. Those tabs have been made or purchased for that purpose, Bulova to my knowledge never used them. I have two 1960's Tissot watches that use the same tabs, but have cutouts in the outer holder to facilitate these.

The writing on the dial says "HUDSON" I used my tablet and tilted the thing this way and that until the ghostly word showed up.

Again, well spotted merc my friend!

Non-conforming for me.

 

Edit- merc, don't ask if you can comment, all members are welcome to, not only that but we NEED you to, especially if they have your powers of observation! :-)

Bob.

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William Smith
Posted August 8, 2015 - 4:06am

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Root record has triangle, however owner reports there are numbers within triangle and its on lower bridge.  Don't think that's the (1926) triangle of date code.
 
Interesting there's the post April 1923 Bulova Watch Co sig on movement.  Maybe this one is post April 1923 but before the 1924 date stamp started to be used....therefore possible (late) 1923 movement?

Maybe we remove "triangel" entry from root record, and figure out (guess) at date by other charactoristics of movement?  We don't have much info on case signature.