Varient Dial: Unusual Patena on Pin-Stripe Dial, Blue Steel Modern Hands & Raised Gold Tone Numbers.
Case Dimensions: 36.3mm Lug-Lug x 24.7mm Length
In reply to Fifth The watch is a by Wayne Hanley
The ads are not wrong Wayne, the identification is wrong.
One section of scrolling matching those of an ad do not constitute a match as several Watches from this period have the same scrolling detail. The rest of the engraving is entirely different, not even close and the Dial is completely different. Closer inspection will reveal that the Case lugs differ also.
I have no clue as to why You insist that these are matches, they are not and You had the same issues with other Watches on site, 'REVERE' for one and the 'BRUNSWICK' for examples.
I would give 0 stars to all given the option.
In reply to The engraving on Jay's watch by Wayne Hanley
Could you please point me towards a clear copy of an ad which shows the correct engraving for a Sky King? I looked at the copy of the ad I have and I cannot tell if you are correct or not. Maybe neither is a Sky King?
Jay
Time and time again now the ads have been proven to be correct - looks like We need to take a hard look at the 'SKY KING's in the database. Thanks for clarifying Jay.
Then there is the 'RICHARD'
and the 'LONE EAGLE II'
Similar, but different. As nice as the Watch in the original post is it is not a 'LINCOLN', the location of the Case engraving differs.
We are doing a grave disservice to Collectors today and in the future identifying Watches that are 'close', better to be 'UNKNOWN', no matter how many there are, than misidentified.
In reply to Time and time again now the by FifthAvenueRes…
Oh you did notice the first two watches in the database under Sky King are not Sky Kings. The second one may not even be a Bulova case. Third and thru the end are authentic Sky King watches with the XXIXXI engraving pattern. Jay the watch labeled Sky King in the ad on page 1 of this string and the watch you entered do match each other. However, neither one is a Sky King.
Fifth, I think we should take care of the original issues before you put in anymore watches for obfuscation. When I'm wrong I admit it. When you are wrong you just disappear for a couple of days.
How about some input from some other voting panel members.
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Old Ticker & Daca
Ticker I see what you mean about the flat back on the picture of the Lincoln. However, it has the same curve as most any 1925 to 1930 Bulova mens watch.
The dial on the watch is a pin stripe varient that was available on some Bulovas in 1929-30. The pinstripped dial & modern blue steel hands.
A different dial from an ad does not disqualify a watch from being named. The following Banker watches are an example of two other dials that are a bit more formal than the Lum numbers & cathedral hands. The first Banker has creme dial with raised gold tone numbers & logo. The second Banker is pin striped linen dial. Both of the formal dial have the modern blue steel hands.
May I please remind everyone again that the vintage ads are NOT 'always' a100% replication of what was produced/released.
A really good example of this is the Corner Cut Lone Eagle. If we were to take the ads for the LE as fact then all of the Lone Eagles/Conquerors we see would need to be re-ID'd as unknown.
I'm more than happy to see a watch ID'd as something that very closely matches a vintage ad. This is at least a starting point and is far better than having a database full of unknowns (that helps no one at all).
If through further investigation we find a better ad or other hard evidence that the ID made was incorrectly, then we can look to discuss the point further. But I am happy with the way Waynes Lincoln has been Identified and agree (until someone can 100% prove otherwise) that it is a Lincoln.
If we start calling foul on an ID on all watches just because they are not a 100% match of a vintage ad then I see little point in this IDing process and database.
It's a process that has to start somewhere.
Lets PLEASE not get too hung up on this.
If you TOTALLY disagree and you are a panel member then vote 1 star. If you are sitting on the fence vote 2. And 3 if the evidence presented is 'good enough' to confirm the ID.
If you are not a Panel member then please feel free to put forward your comments or concerns about an ID.
The Saturday Evening Post - December 13 1930 - Bulova Sky King.
http://ihc185.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9886009961/m/6371046712 shows another (more common) version of the Sky King.
Now lets get back to the watch in question.....surely someone here has a descent ad they can post that shows the watch in question.
The XXI pattern is also correct for the Sky King model as shown here http://ihc185.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9886009961/m/6371046712
In reply to The XXI pattern is also by mybulova_admin