Bulova 1934 President

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Model ID rating explained.
2.802
Manufacture Year: 
1935
Movement Symbol: 
Triangle
Movement Model: 
7AK
Movement Jewels: 
21
Case Serial No.: 
5493053
Case shape: 
Round
Additional Information: 

 I belive this to be a 1935 Bulova Minuetman B. Thoughts? 21 jewel 7AK Movement Triangle date symbol on movement 10kt gold filled. Triangle date symbol could be a 1926 or a 1935 i think 1935

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Jim Townsend 1935 Bulova president 08 10 2014
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Jim Townsend
Posted July 16, 2014 - 4:14pm

The only thing i have is a tape it is in inches i have nothing to do mm.

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bobbee
Posted July 30, 2014 - 4:34am

Give it your best shot in inches then, we'll try to convert it to mm.

lug-to-lug and width please. We will then try to find a match.

Thanks.

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William Smith
Posted July 30, 2014 - 5:10am

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Jim and gang;

I bet we find the 7AK is from 1945.  We have lots of watch records w/ 7AK and the earliest (short of your watch here) are from 1945.  Probably a movement swap with a latter (1945) 7AK.  This kinda negates or minimizes the chances that we rule on jewel count for Pres vs MM.  I have not checked Ranfft or Lisa's site yet to see if they have a start date for 7AK before 1945....but I will check soon.

 

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bobbee
Posted July 30, 2014 - 7:17am

 Roland has 1936 start date, as has Lisa. 1935 is not out of the equation, Lisa and here have found older examples of other "known date" movements.

http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&a&2uswk&Bulova_7AK

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William Smith
Posted July 30, 2014 - 2:56pm

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Thanks Bobbee   I checked Doc's link, and while his start date is 1936, his representative example is 1947.  

I also checked Lisa's movement DB, and while her start date is also 1936, i checked through many of her watch records, and didn't find an example listed as pre-1945 for 7AK.  Maybe this earlier start date is in error?  

I've gone through most if not all of the 7AK watch records on MyBulova, and the earliest found with a "photo" of 7AK have a triangle date code and have been housed in a 1945 watch case/model .  If there is an earlier example 7AK, I'd like to see a representative ad indicating the corrisponding model and jewel count and a picture of the movemet date symbol.  

Also checked Lisa's end date, and while Lisa has several Academy Awards model records housing 7AK listed as 1950, all I checked housed a 1949 7AK and her record date is from the case.  Same for all 7AK's on MyBulova.

Would a 1935/36 7AK example be "U.S.A." made?  

I'm thinking the 7AK was made between 1945 through 1949.  I have yet to see one with an "L0" anywhere.  I also hope someone can prove me wrong with a documented example from earlier than 1945 housed in a known ad documented model w/ matching jewel count in ad (this would help rule out movement swap).

...but I've been wrong before....

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bobbee
Posted July 30, 2014 - 3:01pm

Could be, the doc's not infallible.

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bobbee
Posted July 30, 2014 - 7:25am

Looking at the case back, with the length of movement being 25 mmX17.55mm, say back is about 35 mm. long, then lugs are about 5 mm. long each, that gives a total length of around 45 mm.

Without any real measurements this is my best guess, giving us a Prez-size case.

mybulova_admin
Posted August 1, 2014 - 6:28pm

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We have determined in the past that the Minute Man's of this era had a slight curve to the sides. I'm not seeing this on this watch and the measurement now seems to confirm a President model. PMs can I please get you vote so we can move this from the red zone.

 

 

bourg01
Posted August 1, 2014 - 8:00pm

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My call would be a President but the 7AK throws me off as I believe it should be a 7AP for the30's. A few things just don't add up with this one. For now too many factors to say unless we just go with case and dial. Unknown for me.

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William Smith
Posted August 2, 2014 - 2:48am

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I'd go tentative Prez.  Not on the matching jewel count necessarily, as I think the movement is from 1945, but the case (size) and dial are tentative President.  
And all of the "other" Presidents from this style/era in our watch database have a 6AE or 7AP movement....