Bulova 1938 -Unknown

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Manufacture Year: 
1938
Movement Symbol: 
Cresent Moon
Movement Model: 
6AF
Movement Jewels: 
Unknown
Movement Serial No.: 
109295
Case Serial No.: 
None
Case shape: 
Round
Crystal Details: 
beveled .1,8 x 2,1 cm
Gender: 
Mens
Additional Information: 

Hello, I don't know if it's 1928 or 1938 (same symbole - moon) . Very nice with four diamonds. sharp beveled Crystal.Please help me to know the model. Thanks.

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FifthAvenueRest...
Posted November 27, 2012 - 4:40am

Yes, 'non conforming'

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DarHin
Posted November 27, 2012 - 10:22am

If it's not a Bulova cased watch it isn't a Bulova. Delete.

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William Smith
Posted March 8, 2013 - 8:35pm

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Non-Conforming? with an unknown case manufacturer and the "Bulvoa Movement" dial.  
Looks like the movemnt says 15 jewels...
 

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bobbee
Posted March 9, 2013 - 6:19am

Always interesting, and if there is good info gleaned, and enlightening discussions, the info should be kept.
This watch shows all the "hallmarks" of a rebuilt, used movement, non-original dial, non-Bulova case.
I say there should be another category,
"REBUILT".
Covering the above "hallmarks".

mybulova_admin
Posted March 10, 2013 - 6:21am

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Thansk for bring this one back to life. I'm not sure how we arrived at the "not a Bulova case' comment. Was there a comment about another company stamp. The original owner did not include any photos of the back so we cannot say for sure, can we?

The dial is what is a little strange, but again not toytally different.

The case is 100% Ivanhoe in style, so why not give this either a tentattive Ivanhoe or Non-conforming. It has a Bulova movement, what looks to be a Bulova Ivanhow case, its just the dial that seems custom if a not variant.

 

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bobbee
Posted March 10, 2013 - 6:45am

Stephen, It is similar to the "Ivanhoe", but the lugs do not come to the edge of the case, the movement and dial are a really poor fit and are both wrong for an Ivanhoe, and the scalloping on the bezel sides are totally different to the Ivanhoe.
The only thing originally Bulova is the movement.
Rebuilt 100%.

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William Smith
Posted March 10, 2013 - 2:46pm

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 I don think it's a Bulova case.  Perhaps modeled after the Ivanhoe?  The year for the case is a guess, but the ads for the Bulova Ivanhoe are from 1953/54 or there abouts. The 6AF is poorly fit in case, and I'm surprised the dial feet fit!  

I guess this could be non-conforming, but it sure isn't Bulova.

I think this fits the footprint of "Bulova Rebuilt".  There may be an ad for this or very similar rebuilt examples in the batch of Rebuilt ads/articles Bobbee found in the last few months, or in the rebuilt part of the forum post I did early last year.

I like having these in the database as they are part of Bulova's history.  Although there's no case sig shown or addressed, I agree the only thing made by Bulova is the movement.   

I know it's rough to suggest yet another catagory (as it's not a model ID name), but IMO, if we had inside case back photos to show no Bulova signature, this one would be textbook "Bulova Rebuilt" 

Geoff Baker
Posted March 11, 2013 - 4:46am

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Will, I disagree. I think a "rebuilt Bulova" would be an old Bulova sent back to the factory or designated Bulova facility and completely overhauled, maybe even having the dial refinished. Once completely it would still be 'all Bulova'

This, I believe is an aftermarket case and dial, not Bulova, paired with a Bulova movement. We call this nothing, It's not 'rebuilt' (as described above) and it's not a 'frankenbully' (a combination of all Bulova parts that does not match a Bulova production model).

Much of our identification is centered on CASES. If a watch is presented in a non Bulova case, it should be removed. We do not need a category for watches that are not 100% Bulova.

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bobbee
Posted March 11, 2013 - 6:46am

These are not Bulova watches, but are a part of Bulova, and many other brands, history. As watches are damaged, broken or just plain worn out, enterprising thrifty jewelers/watch repairers would use old but servicable movements, buy in cheap cases and dials, then rebuild them, hence Rebuilt. The ads I have posted showing these, as they were called in the ads, "REBUILT" watches are only a drop in the ocean of similar ads from 1940's and 1950's, there are many more. The info in these type of threads, which do not only help with identifications, but are a sort of "caveat" for anyone new to Bulova and vintage watches in general, needs to be kept, as not just curiosities, but an "aide memoire".

 

Or we can be "Elitist", and delete anything but pure Bulovas.

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DarHin
Posted March 11, 2013 - 1:18pm

Purist. Not "Elitist".

I thought one of the main purposes of this website was to rebuild Bulova's lost history. Why should we have a watch in the DB that will never be a Bulova?

Perhaps there should be an "Aftermarket Cases" topic in the forum rather than have them entered in the watch DB as non-conforming.

Sorry for straying so far off topic.