Bulova 1939 -Unknown

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Just picked up this what for the life of me looks to be a 1939 Phantom with original bracelet.  What is very much throwing me off is the sub-seconds on the dial.  No other phantom I've seen has that.

The dial looks to fit the case.  The seller has the case measuring:  1 & 1/8 x 13/16 which I think =

28.6 x 20.6  which might match the phantom minus lugs

No picture of the movement yet to confirm matching year and series.

The bracelet is definately period...  I dunno though... we don't have a Phantom as late as '39 I don't think.

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Posted October 12, 2013 - 3:30pm

Posted October 12, 2013 - 3:38pm

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Interesting Mark... I see your bezel is etched where this one is smooth.  Your back is also stainless while this one is gp.   Looks to be the same watch though... some non-mass produced using the left over Phantom cases maybe?  

Must be a bit rarer though as we've seen what... 2 in the last how many years?  Lisa doesn't have one posted.... shrugs.

Posted October 12, 2013 - 6:56pm

This looks similar to the President and Treasurer of that period.

Some had engraving next to the crystal some didn't.

Posted October 12, 2013 - 7:43pm

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Yeah I've had both of those and this guy doesn't seem remotely long enough to possibly be one of them I don't think?  But yeah... after the Phantom I thought maybe a Pres.... or Minute man... but this one doesn't seem to have the convex those 2 have.

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Posted October 12, 2013 - 8:41pm

The Case is much shorter than the late 1930's 'PRESIDENT', Jewels 17.  The Watch is definately the evolution of the 'PHANTOM', but was it named 'PHANTOM' ?

ad is 1936

Posted October 13, 2013 - 12:26am

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Phantom's didn't have the sub minute dial I believe.

It's either a unengraved President version, an unknown or a Phantom case with a President dial.


Posted October 13, 2013 - 1:09am

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President dial is seriously way to long for this case bro... hrrrrmmmm...

Geoff Baker
Posted October 13, 2013 - 5:51am

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Phantom is shown in 1939 ads but it's engraved and has no sub seconds.  Can this be a Minute Man?

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Posted October 13, 2013 - 7:00am

'MINUTE MAN' Case of era measures 42mm in length.

We now have 2 examples of this 'PHANTOM'  with subsiduary Seconds.

Posted October 13, 2013 - 10:49am

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It seems very Phantom-esk, but I'm not ready to name it that yet. We're like 3 years off the last known ad. And that ad really doesn't match with the seconds register.

Hey Mark is this thing probably going to take a GS #: MX 374 24.4X15.5mm crystal?