Bulova 1945 Military Issue

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Model ID rating explained.
1.812
Manufacture Year: 
1945
Movement Symbol: 
Circle
Movement Model: 
10 AK
Movement Jewels: 
15
Case Serial No.: 
OF-104157
Case shape: 
Round
Additional Information: 

WWII Bulova ORD CORPS.

Stainless Steel Case measures 39mm lug to lug x 32mm wide non inclusive of the Crown while using Calipers.

White Dial shows Military standard Arabic numerals and Black printed tracks. Hour and Minute Hands are Military radium and a radium 10AK Military Seconds Hand appears on a sub Dial fully obscuring the 6.

Anti-magnetic dust shield and Gasket between Caseback and Movement.

10 sided Stainless Steel Caseback screws on and is stamped as shown.

 * although the Movement is Dated to 1944 this style of Military Case did not appear until 1945-'46.

as found - glass in poor condition.

 

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Wayne Hanley
Posted November 4, 2011 - 12:35am

The movement appears to be a 10AK normally used in Ordinance watches without a hack capability. The case bezel appears to be a Type A-17 that requires a 10BNCH hack movement. The screw in caseback says ORD but, screw backs are interchangeable between type A-11/ORD watches & type A-17. I strongly suspect this watch to be a put together Frankenbully.

 

11/04/2011 Correction to second sentence above: Type A-17 style case.

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FifthAvenueRest...
Posted September 2, 2011 - 2:30am

Wayne,

Then I strongly suggest You do some Homework before 'popping off'.

This Case design is not a Type A-17 as You put it, it is in fact a 1945+ Military issue design which carried through the 1960's. Not only do We find the Korean War era A17A in this case (parkerized version shown below)

but We also see the Vietnam War era 3818A (shown below) in the same.

First seen in late 1945-46 the Steel Military issue Case matches the production timeline of the 10AK movement, as does the Dial, the Caseback and the branch of Service it was issued to .

A rare, significant and very legit Military Timepiece. - 1945 (46) Bulova 'ORD CORPS'

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Wayne Hanley
Posted September 2, 2011 - 2:35pm

Please show the source/technical manual of the sub-seconds dial being issued in this case, with a 10AK movement. I have no doubt about the other watches you just presented, only the sub-seconds dial. Stay with the subject watch please.

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FifthAvenueRest...
Posted September 2, 2011 - 3:51pm

Wayne,

'ORD CORPS' is a post WWII caseback marking for what was/is commonly known as the 'ORD DEPT' pieces of WWII (in which Bulova used the same 15Jewel sub Dialed 10AK). As mentioned this Steel Military Case design came into play in late 1945 or 1946 for all branches of Service. (Military spec)

Below is an example of Waltham's version apparantly for their 7-9 Jewel movement (stamped OG) and a link to some discussion.

and an Elgin below courtesy of hackset.net

http://www.mwrforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=40647

Very few of the Bulova's are seen but I'll see what I can find.

Stay tuned.

 

 

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Wayne Hanley
Posted September 2, 2011 - 3:52pm

I am aware that Elgin shown below & Waltham you just showed above were contracted to make an issue watch with the sub-seconds dial & the stainless steel case, but I am unaware of Bulova making any. 

 

 

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FifthAvenueRest...
Posted September 2, 2011 - 4:21pm

A Bulova is shown above.

All of the major Watchmakers at that time were players. - Bulova, Waltham, Elgin and Hamilton. (wrong style Hour and Minute Hands on the Elgin You are showing btw)

Waltham Dial courtesy of MWR.

Bulova's last Military piece was produced in the 1960's.

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bobbee
Posted March 30, 2014 - 10:33am

Incorrect hour and minute hands on the subject watch.

The correct hands for the ORD. DEPT. and ORD. CORPS. white dialled watches should be as below.

 

 

The subject's hour and minute hands are the ones used in black ORD. DEPT. and Type A-11 Navigators watches, as below.

 

1944 A-11.

Bulova watch

 

1943 ORD. DEPT.

Bulova A11 1943

 

1943 ORD. DEPT. (unissued)

Bulova watch

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Wayne Hanley
Posted September 2, 2011 - 5:31pm

Fifth

Again you are off of the subject watch, the Bulova sub-seconds dial with the 10AK movement that you logged in. I doubt that these Bulovas above are powered by a 10AK movment. They are most probably hack watches, if you care to show the movements. We are talking about a Bulova WWII & early postwar watch (1944, 1945), not the last military Bulova produced.

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FifthAvenueRest...
Posted September 2, 2011 - 6:29pm

I'm not off the subject - We're talkng 'ORD DEPT' / 'ORD CORPS' Bulova:  the last 3 images look very similar to the 'ORD CORPS' subject Watch and cannot be hacking Wayne, they all have sub Second Dials.

Center seconds - Hacking.

Sub Seconds - non Hacking.

There is no such Animal as a sub Second Dialed hacking Military issue Watch.

Homework please before You attack any of My Watches. Your notions are simply ludicrous and getting annoying.

1945 Bulova 'ORD CORPS': an early post WWII non-hacking 15 Jewel U.S. Military issue Wristwatch.

bourg01
Posted September 2, 2011 - 11:15pm

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Allright Guys, before any more bones are split here, I will catagorically state I don't know jack  about military watch history or the watches. What I will say is that I have owned several by Bulova, Hamilton, Elgin and Waltham and one observation is just this, these cases were not manufactured by any of the watch makers listed but by a case maker and fitted with movement rings(retainer's) for several movements.

Before anyone goes spouting off, I built a military watch for my brother as a commemorative piece for his time served in Afganistan and getting home alive. It consisted of a  early Hamilton 987 17 J movement, a 1944 Hamilton  Sentinal dial and a 1972 NOS Star Watch Case Co case from Viet Nam era. I built a watch with parts that covered iconic periods in history and presented it to a Vet for another conflict in our time.

Let's stop argueing or trying to prove your points!!....anything is possible.

Give that some time to digest, and then give some thought for the men and woman still stuck over in that S**t hole, Iraq or Afganistan.

Sorry to spout off but any watch can be different to what we currently see documented, I know, because I've bulit one.