Bulova 1948 Broker

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Model ID rating explained.
1.63875
Manufacture Year: 
1948
Movement Symbol: 
47
Movement Model: 
8AH
Movement Jewels: 
17
Case Serial No.: 
8138337
Case shape: 
Rectangle
Crystal Details: 
3/4" W x 7/8" L
Gender: 
Mens
Additional Information: 

I'm trying to find out some information about it's value.

This watch has been passed down through geneartions and I was informed that it is a nice watch by a local jeweler.  It is all original and in working condition.  It is rose colored gold filled.  The chrystal is a little scrathed up and case needs a little bit of shining, but other than that and a new strap, it's very nice.

The movement is dated 1947 so it is assumed it has been replaced.

Not For Sale
41 Director-07202011
Bulova watch
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Wayne Hanley
Posted August 6, 2011 - 10:57am

Here is a 1947 Commodre & a 1947 Broker. Cases are the same except that the Broker is engraved.

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FifthAvenueRest...
Posted August 6, 2011 - 11:33am

Wayne,

Where is the evidence that the Watch You are showing on the left is the 'COMMODORE' ??  The vintage Bulova advertisement posted prior (I will post it once more just in case You missed it) shows a Case with entirely different lugs.

 

I would suggest, as stated earlier, that both Watches You show above are the 'BROKER',  variants of which are unknown at this time.

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Wayne Hanley
Posted August 6, 2011 - 5:53pm

No more musical watches Fifth. It's a waste of time! The fact is that you wouldn't dare to employ a bit of analytical judgement without an ad, makes it difficult to reason with you. Bulova didn't choose to advertise some watches &  leaves quite a challenge & a lot of watches nameless.  

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FifthAvenueRest...
Posted August 7, 2011 - 6:21am

ID's based on facts Wayne.

simpletreasures
Posted August 7, 2011 - 8:31pm

So, exactly what if anything was decided on these later versions of the Director or????????????

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Wayne Hanley
Posted August 7, 2011 - 11:47pm

I think that subject watch is a 1947 case matching the 1947 movement. The watch looks like our Commodore watches, but of course we can't call them Commode because their is no ad for our watches.  According to the ads in the data base there is no 1947 Director. I am leaving my watch out of this, I don't have it in the database. I believe that RobHas should step up & solve the naming of his watch. Fifth identifies it as a 1941 Director with a 1947 8AH movement. Which I don't think is correct. Fifth says it just like his director, but has failed to produce a head on shot of his Director.

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FifthAvenueRest...
Posted August 8, 2011 - 9:08am

Simpletreasures,

In 1941 this design was named 'DIRECTOR' yet We have 2 identicals dated 1947 and 1948

We know in 1947 this design is not named 'DIRECTOR'.

We have an illustration of a 'COMMODORE', the Case Design does not match the Watch in question, the 'BROKER' although unseen however accepts the same Crystal.

After sifting through all of this it is My contentention that this 1941 design was continued to be produced (with a slight dimensional change as noted below) and at some point was renamed (when the 'DIRECTOR' design changed).

In 1947 this design was the 'BROKER' - the Rose case and/or engraved varieties are unknown variants.

Watch on Left - 8AE dated 1941, Case measures 37mm lug to lug x 20mm wide non inclusive of the Crown: the 'DIRECTOR'.

Watch on Right - 8AH dated 1945, Case measures 38mm lug to lug x 22mm wide non inclusive of the Crown: the 'BROKER'.

*These case measurements are consistant with Scott's Crystal analysis posted prior and being the 'COMMODORE' has very different lugs would additionally bolster the 'BROKER' ID.

Gentlemen, measure Your Cases.

 

 

simpletreasures
Posted August 8, 2011 - 8:57am

So as conjecture would have it, without ads to confirm, we're thinking that RobHas" 47' and my Rose 48' are Brokers? The 41' and 45' sitting side by side above certainly appear to be identical minus the engraving, crown, dial,& hands. Again, without ads to confirm, these should contine to be classified as "Unknown"? Back to hunting for ads.....

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FifthAvenueRest...
Posted August 8, 2011 - 10:45am

There are only 2 models which accept the same Crystal, the specs support the 'BROKER' identification as it is not a 'COMMODORE', We can see that from the illustrative ad.

2 - 1 = 1 'BROKER'

 

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Wayne Hanley
Posted August 8, 2011 - 3:37pm

My 1947 Whatchmacallit Case measures 37.8mm lug to lug x 20.5mm wide.

This brings me back again to the original question of what is the date of the subject watch? If the answer is 1947 it cannot be a Director, no matter what the dimensions are. Quit tapdancing.