Bulova 1952 Ambassador

9/10 votes
Model ID rating explained.
2.229999
Manufacture Year: 
1952
Movement Model: 
8AC
Movement Jewels: 
21
Case Serial No.: 
61603317
Case shape: 
Rectangle
Case Manufacturer: 
Bulova
Crystal Details: 
N/A
Gender: 
Mens
Additional Information: 

1952 Ambassador. Watch # 22 shown below.

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William Smith
Posted December 7, 2012 - 1:41pm

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It's apparently not a differentation between "expansion" and "leather", but only the style of the expansion band?   If a "year of manufacture" or "year advertised" thing, then perhaps sometime pre 1952 these were Ambassadors?  and 52 on they were Everrette? 
We can assume the 1952 ad for the Ambassador 21 jewel is an "error" - but that doesn't address the two models having the same unique model number above. At some point in time, there was an Ambassador and Everette with the same case/dial- probably just not at the same point in time?  If one was named for a "forgien" market,  the ads don't suggest this- Bourg01's catalog ad was for a US catalog, as were the newspaper ads.

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FifthAvenueRest...
Posted December 7, 2012 - 1:54pm

Will,

Does model number 38103 identified as both the 'AMBASSADOR' and the 'EVERETT' appear in the same document? and what is the Date of the document (price sheet) ?

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William Smith
Posted December 7, 2012 - 8:51pm

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Spring 1964 list has both the Everette and Ambassador w/ same price and number (38103).
Fall 1961 list also has both.
Fall 1958 list also has both.
Fall 1955 list (dated August 1955 in cover letter) also has both.
Spring 1955 list (dated January 1955 in cover letter) also has both.

November 1954 list doens't contain either- but this list appears to be a supplement to the Fall 1954 list- which we don't have on site.  This Nov. list is just a few pages of what appears to be only new models released since missing Fall 1954 list. 
The first five lists above have many pages, while the Nov list (supplement) only has a few pages.

 

mybulova_admin
Posted December 11, 2012 - 6:42am

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Shawn, as owner of the watch and considering its a flip of a coin decision, what is you preference.

I know that is we ID it and additional information comes along you will no doubt upate accoringly. Let get this one out of the queue.

bourg01
Posted December 12, 2012 - 6:09pm

Panel Member

I agree, let's name it and get it out of the red zone. I'm good with either ID as both have been proven out.It was both ID's at some point in time as has been proven but transitioned into just an Everett. I'll let the rest of the panel decide on this one. Time for a final vote boys.

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William Smith
Posted December 17, 2012 - 10:48pm

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There were six votes for Ambassador, but now I think it's about 4 votes Ambassador, 3 votes Everett.

I'm going with Everett now simply because we have two ads for such in 1952 and another from a couple years later. Just playing the odds on this one.

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bobbee
Posted December 18, 2012 - 1:37am

A new 1952 ad for Ambassador in decades ads.

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William Smith
Posted December 18, 2012 - 1:42am

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another 21 Jewel Ambassador ad from the same year...Cool...and that certainly complicates things but gets us closer to an ID :)

bourg01
Posted December 18, 2012 - 10:11am

Panel Member

Will, just write the 2 ID's on 12 pieces of paper, 6 for each name, put them in a hat, mix them up and then pick one out. That will be the ID for this one. Folks can read the thread and make their own decision as to what they might think it is.

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bobbee
Posted December 18, 2012 - 10:55am

This one is a "pick your own" alright.

Definitely a "model by band style", not just year.

God, I hate those stupid name pickers at Bulova sometimes......

......maybe delete the damn ads!