Bulova 1954 Dolly Madison

5/10 votes
Model ID rating explained.
3
Manufacture Year: 
1954
Movement Model: 
5AD
Movement Jewels: 
21
Case Serial No.: 
221748
Case shape: 
Other
Crystal Details: 
Mineral. 11,4 mm x 11,4 mm. Diagonal: 15,5 mm.
Additional Information: 

CAIXA: 10K RGP. Dimensões: 14 mm sem coroa; 17 mm sem asas.

MOVIMENTO: Bulova 5AD. 21 jewels. L4. USA.

BRACELETE: De cordão (nova). Supõe-se que a original seja metálica extensível.

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posted in 28.10.2012

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Posted October 28, 2012 - 6:21pm

OldTicker
Posted October 28, 2012 - 10:11pm

Concordou com Marcos, Dolly Madison "H" como mostra este anúncio a partir de 1957. Este relógio pertence provavelmente na caixa que o outro é desconhecido dentro.

 

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DarHin
Posted October 28, 2012 - 10:45pm

Dolly Madison

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bobbee
Posted October 28, 2012 - 10:52pm

DM "H".

OldTicker
Posted October 29, 2012 - 9:13am

How is it that this watch is named, but still under review??

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William Smith
Posted October 30, 2012 - 5:30am

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Who knows...we have such a backlog of watches to be published, and several of us are lost in the new ads.  I just checked off the "hide" box to put it back in queue for the vote.

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William Smith
Posted October 30, 2012 - 1:57pm

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side by side w/ 1957 ad.
 
Subject case is Rolled Gold Plate, so that matches.  Are there ads on site for this case/dial/jewel combo being something else?  Isn't that our protocol?  If there's no other ad or info (crystal specs, etc...) suggesting this case/dial/jewel count is another variant or model, we have, in general, been assigning a variant closest to the subject watch and ad/info currently on site? This may not match the discription of the mount spelled out in the text for "H", but if there's no current conflict, how do we best ID this model today?   I've really softened on this, because I'm trying to vote as I believe the "convention" guides me to vote. If this is not our "convention", then I may not be correctly intrepeting my SOP (not necessarily THE SOP). In the end, each panel member votes their opinion, and we publish accordingly, so it's not like my vote is gonna tip the cart.

 
OldTicker
Posted October 30, 2012 - 6:29pm

If its yellow gold, the bezel matches,  the dial matches, the jewel count matches, its a "H"...

On these two ladies AA's with different variant letters, the only difference is the dials...they say "matching expansion bracelet", but how do the match? other than being Gold in color??...The bezels are the same.

It seems that we get too carried away with the band...which was one of the 1st thing on a watch to get replaced, either at the jewelers at the time of purchase, or after a couple of years of hard wear.

If we had a 21J  AA "OO" and a AA "NN" in the database that both looked like these in the ad, but had a corded strap, what would they be?

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William Smith
Posted October 30, 2012 - 7:29pm

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If we don't have an ad showing those case/dial/jewel count "watches" can be confused with a different model or variant, based on the mount or other attribute in the ad), IMO they would be the AA "OO" and the AA "NN".  So if we simply ignore the bands (and text about the bands) and can't find another conflicting model/variant, then they are best described by ID'ing to the variant.   If there's reasonable doubt based on conflicting ads, then it may be difficult to say which of the two or more model/variants they are, but IMO that reasonable doubt has to be based on ads on site, not the probability that they may be something esle if not on the specified mount.   
Conversly, if we do have ads showing the mount makes the variant, then IMO we could not distinguish between the two.  If it's two (or more) variants which we cannot decern, then we go with generic.  If it's two (or more) models which we can't tell abart, then we go with unknown. IMO

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William Smith
Posted October 30, 2012 - 7:40pm

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sorry Greg...forgot your last question...If there we no ad indicating they could be something else (as top ppg above), then IMO if they were both on a cord band or rubber band ore a shoe string they would still be best ID'ed as the AA "OO" and AA "NN".  The mounts the first to go and needn't be "considered" if it doesnt make the variant/mode based on ads/info currently on site.