Bulova 1959 President

6/10 votes
Model ID rating explained.
3
Manufacture Year: 
1959
Movement Model: 
11AF
Movement Jewels: 
17
Case Serial No.: 
D303392
Case shape: 
Round
Gender: 
Men's
Additional Information: 

1959 President 10k Rolled Gold Plate Case

Model Number 32737

Black Dial

Gilt Markers

Sub Seconds Chapter

Manual Wind

Fixed Ad - 10.08.2011

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Wayne Hanley
Posted April 4, 2011 - 7:53pm

Is the movement in your 1959 Squadron an 11AF 17J? I totally  agree on the not waterproof & nothing but case number & L9 with 10k RGP on the caseback.

Although I don't believe it's a Sea King, I find comfort in the fact that my watch has a white Bro!

Wayne

OldTicker
Posted April 4, 2011 - 8:24pm

The Squadron that I referenced is in the database under Squadron L and I think Mark & Geoff were sharing picts of them so I don't know what movement is in it.

I have a 61' Sea King in the database and it has a 11AFC in it.

Yours is a sharp watch and the White one would look super next to it!! (hint hint!)

Greg

Here is the link to the Squadron/President thread

 

 http://www.mybulova.com/watches/1957-president-1795

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FifthAvenueRest...
Posted April 5, 2011 - 5:31am

The problem with naming models without an ad or by using the 'well it sort of looks almost like, kind of' judgement call is mis-identification and the infiltration of 'FRANKENBULLIES' into the database.

This 1959 watch would be a 'PRESIDENT' and not a 'SEA KING'.

 

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Wayne Hanley
Posted April 5, 2011 - 2:18pm

Fifth

Yesterday you made a statement that all Sea Kings are automatic & waterproof.  Since then I have found 3 manual wind 1959 Sea Kings.

How did you come up with PRESIDENT?

Wayne

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FifthAvenueRest...
Posted April 5, 2011 - 2:39pm

Wayne,

Greg pointed that out to Me. - The Early 'SEA KINGS' 1959-62 (?) were not Automatic, You're right.

'PRESIDENT' is a result of the Movement, Dial and the case Design. (not the lug style)

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Wayne Hanley
Posted April 5, 2011 - 5:45pm

Fifth,

You have no proof of your statement that Presidents from 1955 to 1959 were all 17j. I can't believe that just because you & Admin decided that's the way it is. You also, have no proof that the subject watch is a President. How can you say that lug style is not a means of identification? Sometimes lugs are the determining factor for a positive ID.

The subject watch case shows in two 1959 ads. The case is not in any other on-site ads before or after 1959. I have a picture of an identical watch example, only difference is a white dial. Those two facts alone indicates it's not a frankenwhatever. Bulova did make non-lum dials for Sea Kings.

I believe the subject watch is an authentic Bulova. I'm here to learn, but I want proof not guesss or opinions.

Wayne

 

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Wayne Hanley
Posted April 7, 2011 - 5:05am

I have five 1970, one 1971 one 1959 Sea King. None of them have Waterproof/Water Tite/Water Resistant stamped anywhere on the watch.. Surprised the hell out of me!

This 1970 Sea King is a manual wind.

 

 

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FifthAvenueRest...
Posted April 7, 2011 - 5:53am

1970 manual wind? then it's not a 'SEA KING' Wayne.

The Whale logo on a Dial does not make the Watch a 'SEA KING' - the 1970's 'CLIPPERS', 'PRESIDENT'S' and 'SENATORS' have been shown with the the logo also which would lead one to believe the Whale designation denotes Waterproof (possibly Waterproof and Automatic)

Left to Right above - 'PRESIDENT', 'CLIPPER', 'SENATOR' - all showing the Whale logo.

.....and  by the way, none of the 'SEA KINGS' have the Seconds Hand on a sub dial as You are showing, all are sweep center seconds.

The Watch You are showing in Your original post is configured like a mid-late 1950's 'PRESIDENT'.

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Wayne Hanley
Posted April 7, 2011 - 2:09pm

Fifth

Let's try & get the subject watch named. I agree with the President dial & date the movement 1959 L9. The case 1959 also.  Although we don't have an ad for proof, I think 1959 President would be a logical ID. Can we get an agreement on1959 President ID?

As for the 1970 manual wind blue dialed watch, I'll register it as an unknown and try to figure out what it is. Who knows, we may have someone making counterfit whales!

Wayne

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FifthAvenueRest...
Posted April 20, 2011 - 7:19pm

Wayne,

Cat eared 'PRESIDENT' at 8 O'Clock.

: )

 

...and Yes, I agree on the Whale Dial watches. I've noticed a lot of mammals where they don't belong recently.