Bulova 1960 International

9/10 votes
Model ID rating explained.
2.120001
Manufacture Year: 
1960
Movement Model: 
11AFAC
Movement Jewels: 
23
Case Serial No.: 
l-46874
Case shape: 
Round
Additional Information: 

This watch has a swirl effect dial, possibly the "snow drift" on the President "E", from the 1964 ads. 34mm. X 41mm. X 18mm. lug gape. Seller specifies the watch is only sold outside the U.S. and that is where the name comes from. All photo's are with the seller's, Empressissi's permission.

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OldTicker
Posted November 9, 2012 - 9:21am

We have no proof that it is or that it isn't, that is why it is a "tentative" ID

2 tick International from me.

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bobbee
Posted November 9, 2012 - 10:27am

The only evidence against is a sub company name, that means absolutely nothing. That is one.

Another watch with "International" on the dial is in the DB. That is two.

Two one in favour of the "International" name.

 

JP
Posted November 9, 2012 - 11:54am

Panel Member

I would go with two ticks and tenative International

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FifthAvenueRest...
Posted November 9, 2012 - 12:26pm

one from Me as the Model name in itself is unconfirmed.

Hard to identify a Watch to which there is no official record of the model name, anywhere.

23 Jewels automatic in a Waterproof Case would suggest a "23"

'UNKNOWN'

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bobbee
Posted November 9, 2012 - 2:12pm

I do apologize for the very poor resolution but this ad from the Des Moines
Register, 14th. May 1967 proves unequivocally that there exists an "INTERNATIONAL COLLECTION" in the Bulova Watch Companies' lines of watches.

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William Smith
Posted November 9, 2012 - 2:52pm

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Interesting ad. It suggests both the "overseas" production component- hence international, as produced by Bulova International, and also states that these models are part of "The International Collection".  It does go on to give spicific model numbers (model "names"??) for the three examples.  I don't see international as part of that model name though.  When I look at the intent of ID'ing subject watch (and similar others), I can see how a class or catagory (collection) of International would work until we figure out the model names for the various members of the "International Collection".  Both sides of the recent discussion have merit.  You both are right- to a degree.  So the question I ask myself: What ID do we give these watches, based on info to date, which best describes them in light of our "usual" protocol?
It appears the subject watch is an unknown model, belonging to the "international collection", but that may not be the best way to ID it.

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bobbee
Posted November 9, 2012 - 2:15pm

Surely deserves more than "one tick unconfirmed" now Mark?

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FifthAvenueRest...
Posted November 9, 2012 - 2:53pm

Bob,

The ad is a fabulous find and highly beneficial to the site but only indicates there was an 'INTERNATIONAL COLLECTION', as there was also an 'EXCELLENCE COLLECTION' in which those Watches were identified by individual model names.

The truth of the matter remains, We don't know if a model named the International exits.

P.S. I'm now firmly in the camp of a Swiss manufactured "23" for the subject Watch. The original "23"s being U.S. produced.

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bobbee
Posted November 9, 2012 - 3:27pm

I think it is a distinct possibility that the watches with International on the dial could be part of the International Collection, but why put International on the dial? We see no other watches in the DB with either "International Collection" or "Excellence" or "Excellence Collection" on the dial.

And so it is only logical and rational to assume that this is the watch's name by extrapolation.

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DarHin
Posted November 9, 2012 - 3:31pm

FOUL! I'm throwing a yellow flag for Illegal Procedure for using words like "logical" "rational" and "extrapolation"!