Bulova 1928 Senator

7/10 votes
Model ID rating explained.
2.01
Manufacture Year: 
1928
Movement Symbol: 
Cresent Moon
Movement Model: 
9AT
Movement Jewels: 
15
Case Serial No.: 
8167000
Case shape: 
Square
Case Manufacturer: 
Bulova
Crystal Details: 
20mmx20mm
Additional Information: 

 

 I've searched the data base and the closest I can come is in the second page of the adverts' slide #10 but I can't make it out well enough to tell. It has a hinged case that say's Pat. Jan. 11 1927, Bulova 14K Gold Filled, New York. Case measures 26.75mmx26.75mm. The 9AT movement has a dust cover.

 

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FifthAvenueRest...
Posted December 31, 2012 - 12:01pm

Will,

Does the Watch depicted in the 'ad' appear rectangular?

It's Square, check the numeral layout of the Dial.

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William Smith
Posted December 31, 2012 - 12:05pm

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no- the watch graphic appears square.  ....so is the graphic incorrect or the text incorrect....may be harder to mis-typeset "rectangle" vs place a similar but incorrect graphic in the press? 

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William Smith
Posted December 31, 2012 - 12:10pm

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or both are incorrect....Or I'm taking all this too serious  LOL

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FifthAvenueRest...
Posted December 31, 2012 - 12:08pm

The text has been added by the book author(s) and is not a true 'ad'.

The subject Watch matches the image in the 'ad'.

'SENATOR'

mybulova_admin
Posted December 31, 2012 - 5:36pm

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I agree with Fifth, the Price Guide is incorrect in its description of the watch being rectangular. Overall including the lugs it is, but that isn't the correct way to determine the shape of a watch case. In the advert shown and the subject watch, both are square and the design case design looks to match that of the subject watch. The dial has been redone so we know why there is a difference there.

1928 Senator is my call.

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bobbee
Posted December 31, 2012 - 6:45pm

The case may be similar but the dial is different. We have Senators in the watch and ad databases, and not one looks like the subject case or the "senator" in the guide picture. The lugs are different to the true Senators, as is the engraving. One picture from a "price guide book" does not give an ID. Where do they get their ID from? Unknown.

EDIT:- I measured the image of the subject and it is exactly square, I then measured the image in the price guide and it is definitely rectangular.

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FifthAvenueRest...
Posted December 31, 2012 - 8:03pm

please,

The Watch depicted in the Price guide is the same image shown in the database ad Dated 1928 which is the subject.

1928 'SENATOR'

Our first look.

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bobbee
Posted December 31, 2012 - 8:42pm

Try actually measuring the cases, then. It is longer than it is wide in the price guide image. The crystal is longer than it is wide, too. That means it is rectangular, even the script says it is rectangular.

The image in the 1928 ad is different to the image from the price guide, and is too fuzzy and details cannot be seen of the engraving in any case to be of much use, although that case is rectangular too.

I expanded the actual advert image with my mouse wheel to maximum, and the ad image case measured 40mm. long X 36mm. wide.

The subject watch case is an exact square.

Not the Senator in either the ad or the price-guide.

Unknown.

mybulova_admin
Posted January 1, 2013 - 4:27am

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As far as these watches go from the 20s, it's either a clear rectangle or a clear square and is usually measured on the crystal part not the outer case. In my opinion it is a square and as the dial has been redone it cannot be factored into the equation as a match for the advert.

Whilst we do not have a high-res scan of the advert it should be good enough for a tentative Senator ID call. I am sure that a 1928 advert will present itse;lf one day to confirm the model ID or not.

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bobbee
Posted January 1, 2013 - 6:13am

Please explain the sub second dial.
The subject has a large sub dial with a sunken circle, as noted by the owner.
The sub dial on the senator is a tiny square, and could not have had a sunken circle within it.
The crystal on the Senator pic is also rectangular when measured with a ruler.
These are facts, not guesses.