Does anyone recognize this dial?

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Submitted by timeless on February 11, 2015 - 3:30pm

The watch in total is a cobbled together mess...

The dial would suggest a sweep second movement. It's not!  

The hands are inapproriate for the dial.

Case center section appears to be chromed base metal while the bezel and back are gold filled, 

and none of the case numbers match. 

I've posted the photos so you can have a good laugh.

I'm only interested to know if anyone recognizes the dial and which model it mates.

 

 

Daca102090
Posted February 11, 2015 - 5:25pm

I would bet that the dial will fit a 10AN cs.

The outer ring is very similar to a 34 I have where the second hand makes 5 movements ler second.

The movement may have been traded out when the jeweler didn't have 10an parts around.

timeless
Posted February 11, 2015 - 5:30pm

Plainsmen,

I checked but did not find any match.

plainsmen
Posted February 11, 2015 - 5:33pm

Mines the same as the one you have other than the movement 10AN.

Geoff's has a etched bezel 

timeless
Posted February 11, 2015 - 5:37pm

Ok.  looks like a match to the one you recently purchased.

Does your center case section finish match the rest of the case?

 

 

plainsmen
Posted February 11, 2015 - 6:02pm

Yes... Wait I'll have to look tonight.

William Smith
Posted February 12, 2015 - 1:02pm

How many examples of watches in the database (or on Lisa's site or elsewhere) do we see housed in cases hallmarked B.W.W.Co. ?  Are there other B.W.W.Co cases housing Bulova which look "legit"? Wondering if Bulova partnered with this company for a series of "medical watches"?  

timeless
Posted February 12, 2015 - 1:54pm

Bulova would have actually partnered with Fahy's as they purchased the company & all of Brooklyn's trademarks somtime before 1891, and continued to use the Brooklyn trademarks. 

So...Is there a known Bulova relationship with Fahy's?

William Smith
Posted February 12, 2015 - 2:40pm

Good intel.  I'm checking on the Fahy's relationship.  Bobbee probably knows off the top of his head.  Lisa may have some info on this question on her website.

JP
Posted February 12, 2015 - 3:04pm

Must be a movement swap since the subject movement has no sweep sec capability.

timeless
Posted February 12, 2015 - 3:08pm

The only connection I've found so far...

"NAWCC Bulletin, No. 332 (June 2001), pp. 316-24, in 1937 the Bulova Watch Co. leased part of the Fahys Sag Harbor factory building. Bulova made watch cases there until the plant was closed in 1980."

William Smith
Posted February 12, 2015 - 3:49pm

So if Bulova was involved with Fahys via Sag Harbor before 1937, we may expect to see the watch cases hallmarked w/ the bone and B.W.C.Co w/ a Bulova movement/dial.

William Smith
Posted February 12, 2015 - 3:46pm

Am I seeing some Roman numerals etched in the case back just outside the movement?

timeless
Posted February 12, 2015 - 5:18pm

Yes, but nothing matches like I mentioned above...

There is a roman numeral "V" at the upper left corner near the case screw &

a " I,  III, V"  at the opposite corner, at least that's what it looks like.

Caseback #: 747810. 

 

bobbee
Posted February 13, 2015 - 5:28am

Suffolk County News, September 3rd, 1937.

 

It's not inconceivable that Bulova used Fahys cases for their earlier watches surely?

We know they used many manufacturers cases as well as their own. Maybe tooling up for certain designs was not cost efficient, and so used  existing designs.

 

Bulova are possibly using up existing old stock cases and movements.

 

 

bobbee
Posted February 13, 2015 - 5:49am

As seen in the above snippet, the Bulova subsidiary The Sag Harbor Guild Inc. had leased the premises for a period of around ten years before 1937.

So Bulova were actually using the plant to make cases from some time in the mid-twenties, so it is feasible that many cases "lying around" were used up. It would be silly not to. 

Look at the pocket watch Jerin linked to, that is a 1920's design and so is the OP's watch.

1925 advert.

timeless
Posted February 13, 2015 - 2:20pm

I think it's a given that Bulova used Fahys cases.

According to the article then, Bulova would have been sharing the building with Fahys beginning in 1917, up to and including the fire in 1925 that destroyed a large portion of the building... most likely why Bulova wasn't there from 1927-37.

By 1931 Fahys was out of business, apparently due to the Depression, but I'm sure the fire didn't help much.

 

 

JoeHerb
Posted February 21, 2015 - 5:04am

No idea about this!

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