So where's the Senator "B"?

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Submitted by plainsmen on March 22, 2011 - 8:15pm

So.... if this is the Senator "A".  It would obviously stand to reason there would be a Senator "B".... or "C", or "D"?

 

This by chance?  Or this?  Or this? Or this?

 

   

NOVA
Posted March 22, 2011 - 8:19pm

According to our database, this is a Senator "B" from 1955:

Bulova Senator "B" watch

plainsmen
Posted March 22, 2011 - 8:22pm

The original ad for the Senator I was showing was mid-40's... so.. if it shows a Senator "A"... then it only stands to reason that at THAT time there would be B, C, D, E or whatever...

That coupled with the same case and all those dial variations would make sense.

WatchCrystals.net
Posted March 22, 2011 - 9:22pm

CLEARLY Bulova wasn't hiring Illustrators to create ACCURATE renderings, nor to illustrate variables... In fact, they stuck to "the same script," like GLUE... and only showed the same dails, for whatever reasons? (DESPITE the obvious dial variants, if the model SOLD WELL enough...)

As for "A- E+/-" that is simply that model, that year, in crystal catalogs, display ads, etc. AND there were NUMEROUS A+s, etc. EVEN from year to year in some cases (no pun intended) IF it was a HOT ENOUGH seller and/or the design changed (interrelated) on say SENATORS, PRESIDENTS, etc...

Ok... I'll post the AMBASSADOR dial/case variables (A- F?) from 1953- 58, since you seem to be on the SENATORS this week, Jerin+ SO PROVE MY POINT OK, my friend??? (But DON'T expect to find much/any more than examples of original dials... until someone finds a "NOS" watched, tagged as a ???)

 

:-)  Scott

NOVA
Posted March 22, 2011 - 8:24pm

However, we don't appear to have an example of the "C", the "D", the "H", or the "J", all of which are listed as possibilities but with no actual examples.

NOVA
Posted March 22, 2011 - 8:26pm

You think it works out all nice and pretty like that, huh?  Hmmm. . . .

NOVA
Posted March 22, 2011 - 8:28pm

Sometimes this site drives me crazy.  I can't get anything to load, then it loads twice and won't let me delete it.

shooter144
Posted March 23, 2011 - 10:16pm

I am guessing that with all of the recent population rise on the site, bandwidth may be an issue now...

plainsmen
Posted March 22, 2011 - 8:26pm

You don't have to tell me twice Sister!  Haha...

No.. that's my point.  All the dial variations on the above watches are on watches producted the same years the Senator "A".

 

OldTicker
Posted March 22, 2011 - 8:31pm

Plains,

From this ad, it looks like the letter designation was more case color, but the dial could have changed with the color of the case.

plainsmen
Posted March 22, 2011 - 8:37pm

A HA!!  Good job Greg... well then OBVIOUSLY.... there IS more than the regular Senator.

The red gold Senator "F" would absolutely not be the regular yellow gold/white dialed Senator.  It's going to have to be the 1st variant I posted or the one we're calling the Spencer... or something else.

NOVA
Posted March 22, 2011 - 8:42pm

What year is that ad?

OldTicker
Posted March 22, 2011 - 8:43pm

The ad describes it to have a "harmonizing dial with gilt numerals and hands", so a Red Gold would have a Copper dial?

Elgin Doug
Posted March 22, 2011 - 8:49pm

That'd be harmonious, but none of the copper colored dials I've seen have gilt numerals.  They're either the black ones, the 'exploding' white ones, or the exploding Roman numerals on the two-tone dial. 

OldTicker
Posted March 22, 2011 - 8:45pm

1944 Monkey Wards, page 4, one up from bottom left

OldTicker
Posted March 22, 2011 - 9:00pm

It would depend on what the ad writer considered what gilt ment, Gold or just shinny

gilt 1
play_w2("G0127100")

 (glt)

v.
A past tense and a past participle of gild1.
adj.
1. Covered with gold or gilt.
2. Resembling gold, as in color or luster.
n.
1. A thin layer of gold or something simulating gold that is applied in gilding.
2. Superficial brilliance or gloss.
3. Slang Money.

 

OldTicker
Posted March 22, 2011 - 9:12pm

According to this ad, the 2 senators in the 1944 database listing should be the Senator "E"

FifthAvenueRes…
Posted March 22, 2011 - 10:20pm

When Bulova states 'Gilt' they mean a thin Gold plating, the term is used throughout the Jewlery and Watch making industry.

SENATOR 'B' will appear on a Bracelet to answer the original question, I think I've seen the ad somewhere.

As of today there are still  no ads on record showing the 'SENATOR' in any other configuration than with an Arabic numeral Dial, yet there are 3 models listed taking the same Crystal:

'RADIO CITY'  'SENATOR'  'SPENCER' - The Two unknown models are going to be the step lugged Case with numeral variant Dials.

WatchCrystals.net
Posted March 23, 2011 - 2:09am

And don't forget the "DRAKE!" (The other model taking the SAME crystals, anyway...)

 

:-)  Scott

Wayne Hanley
Posted March 23, 2011 - 7:41pm

How come the Blackout isn't listed in the crystal book? It's the exact step luged case as the Senator?

Do you have a picture or ad for the Radio City or Drake?

How many Senator models are listed in the crystal books? A,B,C, etc

Wayne

 

 

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