Commodores/Craftsman/Something Totally different? UPDATED 14th jan

Submitted by GVP on January 5, 2011 - 11:37am

Both Commodores, say 'A' and 'B' or just one, does the other have another name if so?

Both 8AH 17j 

A(engraved one) is 1947  and B (rose) is 1946

 Lovely design

 

Wayne Hanley
Posted January 5, 2011 - 7:44pm

GJ

Thanks for showing. I have a 1948 copper dial & I have been looking for a name for it.

Wayne

GVP
Posted January 6, 2011 - 5:05am

 Well with the crystal dimensions I come up with that name but I would think one has a different name? I guess it depends if Bulova named them on case design or the actual features (such as the President E/F/G etc etc) 

vintagebulova.com
Posted January 6, 2011 - 9:08am

Not really sure what these are but located this ad with a pic of a Commodore.  Knowing Bulova's marketing they may have called the ones you show Commodores as well. 

WatchCrystals.net
Posted January 12, 2011 - 5:06am

In reply to by vintagebulova.com

These models (including the Commodore) clearly latter 40s designs... As I commented before (on Shawn's posting, hereafter) based on crystal catalog research... I thought his watch was either the "Commodore D" or the Broker "B" model, as BOTH take the same glass, from approx. 1946/7... (Probably the Broker, as I thought?)

FOR REF.:  http://www.mybulova.com/watches/1946-commodore-1003

And if the Craftman "A" also takes the same crystals... then perhaps the illustration (i.e. the Commodore model (D?") which I had not seen before) leaves the "Broker," (A+?) and perhaps also a "Craftsman," varietal/2?

I also saw the Commodore namesake used in a '41 crystal catalog, so there were likely at least (2) "Commodore" case designs!

SUC made thicker, bulkier crystals, in most instances... These are often slightly oversized, and therefore need to be resized, to (fully) seat... You would (generally) also need glass to discern if one or more brands thereof are a good fit, unaltered? (Like say: BB, Perfit, W-C, Fulton, etc.)

Acrylics (which unlike glass, are somewhat flexible!) also often fit multiple models and even nearly alike or similar (w/the same bezel opening?) cases between two or more watch brands, utilizing the same (outsourced) case manufacturer... or a similar (recast and design/detail modified) copy!

 

:-)  Scott

GVP
Posted January 14, 2011 - 10:46am

 Well having looked a little deeper, the crystal which fits these, doesn't seem to be made by GS. SUC however do make one that fits perfectly and it is listed for the CRAFTSMAN 'A'.

Is this a possibility? Nope, see below..........some bugger switched it!

FifthAvenueRes…
Posted January 12, 2011 - 5:30am

I'd say the ad shown by vintagebulova debunks the 'COMMODORE' ID, the true identity of one or both shown being the 'CRAFTSMAN'.

2c

GVP
Posted January 14, 2011 - 10:48am

In reply to by FifthAvenueRes…

 

Right ok wrong again SCRATCH THE CRAFTSMAN A . I JUST GOT ANOTHER OF THESE CRYSTALS FOR THE OTHER MODEL I HAVE, IT IS TOO BIG.  Went back and checked the first one and it turns out it must have either beeen filed down or the wrong one in the packet. So the RMS 121-15 is NOT the right crystal. Damned if I can find the right one either.  It measures 20.0 x 17.8 and is curved lengthways only.  My nearest guess in GS are

CMX313-10 but this is marked as the Corrigan crystal

or

CMX313-19 but this is only marked for "swiss"

I have both coming so will see, I can not believe G-S didn't make a crystal for this popular model watch.

Seeing the other thread though Shawn states it takes a 20.37 x 17.8 which would be too large for this case i'm sure....Confused!

 

FifthAvenueRes…
Posted January 18, 2011 - 5:25am

One other variant is the numeral/hand combinations. Engraved case model has raised gilt w/gilt hands, non engraved version printed w/black.

Just an off the wall observation but certainly 2 different models...

"DIRECTOR" matches the model on the right to the T.

Due to the Case, Glass, Dial and Hand variations Your watch on the left is not a Director IMO.

 

vintagebulova.com
Posted January 18, 2011 - 8:28am

In reply to by FifthAvenueRes…

Once again the Bulova marketing machine strikes.  Look, another Director!

 

FifthAvenueRes…
Posted January 18, 2011 - 8:52am

In reply to by vintagebulova.com

15J same basic dial properties, printed w/Black.

Do You know the Year?

vintagebulova.com
Posted January 18, 2011 - 9:21am

In reply to by FifthAvenueRes…

Just checked, no date on the ad.

 

 

GVP
Posted January 18, 2011 - 7:00am

Hmmm, its the closest I have seen yet but there is still something that doesn't seem to ring true, the ends, they don't look to have the dip then raised and rounded over like a log. In the ad, look where the lugs meet the case, they seem set to far in and look too raised. Perhaps it was just a rubbish artist? closest so far though

GVP
Posted January 18, 2011 - 7:07am

I have just received another varient of this watch, rose cased with a black dial. when i've cleaned it up I will photo.

FifthAvenueRes…
Posted January 18, 2011 - 8:04am

GJ

If You look closely at the artists' rendition none of the lugs appear the same, however the lug on the case upper left in the drawing does seem to match the lugs on Your watch. Hands, numeral style and tracks all match also.

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