CHIEF, CLINTON, COMPTROLLER, KNICKERBOCKER.

SEE my timepiece posts... (And WHY can't one click on a member's ICON and see their watch posts?)

 However, WHERE is the "Comptroller??" (And the other 5 or 6 models, that take the same crystals???)

FYI: (The models that take the same crystals, are as follows:)

Chief, Clinton, Conrad, Comptroller, Director, Envoy, Knickerbocker, Officer, Pilot, Rockland
 

 SEE Also: 

CHIEF:  http://www.mybulova.com/watches/1948-chief-720

CLINTON (1946)

KNICKERBOCKER (41)

ROCKLAND:  http://www.mybulova.com/watches/1942-rockland-730

BULOVA "CLINTON?" (45)

BULOVA CLINTON  (1947 AD)

1948 "CHIEF" (SEP AD 12/48)

12/48 SATURDAY EVENING POST AD:

:-)  Scott

Scott,

I'm assuming the other Models sharing the Crystal have been ID'd through a Case variant (?)

The Models named in the thread seem to share the same Case, the variant has to be Dial / Movement / Year related.

'COMPTROLLER' - 1943.

'CHIEF' appears to have Black Modern style Hands and Black printed numerals?

'KNICKERBOCKER' - Superceeded by the 'COMPTROLLER' then replaced by / upgraded to the 'CLINTON' : Gilt Hands and Gilt numerals.

'CHIEF' : Black Hands and Black printed numerals.

...according to the images.

admin,

Yes, exactly.

For all intents and purposes the 'CHIEF' and the 'COMPTROLLER', then 'KNICKERBOCKER' and then 'CLINTON' are 2 different models.

'COMPTROLLER', then 'KNICKERBOCKER' and then the 'CLINTON' being one and the same, Year of production would denote which.

admin, Scott and those playing from Home:

Here is a Second Case identical to the one shown in Williams first post.

*  Note the Colored lug embellishments on both and compared to the 'all plated' lugs.

This would be a Case variation (not the same) to/as the ads naming the 'CLINTON' 'KNICKERBOCKER' and 'CHIEF'.

IMO.

I dont believe they are embellishments, just reflections of the back ground they are taken on. I can do that with mine here on the same coloured background

agreed, the Camera playing tricks.

It has also come to recent light that these Models are not all named differently based on their Year of production but are named differently based on the strap on which they were sold.

'KNICKERBOCKER' - Bracelet.

'COMPTROLLER' - Leather strap.

These 2 models are identical in all other aspects.

No such thing has "come to light".  That is simply your opinion based on extremely limited information.

The ads we have show the watches as produced at different times.  That alone is a difference, so the watches are not "identical".

Moreover, you conveniently ignore the models in this series that are shown on exactly the same strap yet have different names.  Clearly, there was something more than the strap behind the various names.

Notice the difference in the numerals on the two watches above, thickness of the numbers is distinct and not quite the same or is that camera playing tricks again?? The numbers on the watch to the right have a bold outline of black not seen on the other watch. There are numbers in the seconds register of the watch to the right but not the one on the left. Different hands on each watch.

JP

All of the Vintage advertisements for the 'KNICKERBOCKER' show and describe the Watch on a "Basket weave" bracelet.

The 'COMPTROLLER' of the same era is shown and described as being Sold on a Leather strap.

This is the only discernible difference.

If an ad is found showing and describing the 'COMPTROLLER' on a basket weave Bracelet please advise.

Thanks!

Your statements prove absolutely nothing, and it is blantantly false to say that the strap is the only discernable difference between the watches.  Based on the evidence currently at hand, the watches were not produced at the same time.  If you have evidence to the contrary, please present it.  Without such evidence, our best guess at distinguishing these watches is the date of production, not your assumptions about the strap. 

And, again, you completely ignore the identical models with different names that are shown on the same strap.  That is a piece of information that, in my opinion, weighs heavily against your assumption that the strap distinguishes these models. 

Moreover, an absence of proof is not evidence of anything.

You can fill in the gaps in our understanding with thoughts, ideas, theories, hypotheses, assumptions--but when you fill in the gaps with assertions of fact based on nothing, you go too far.

One would think you'd be catching on to that by now, considering how many of your baseless assertions of fact have been proved wrong just this week, but apparently not.

Here are the actual facts we currently have about these watches.

These are the dates of the ads for each watch that shares this case (that we know of so far):

1943 - Comptroller

1945 - Knickerbocker

1946 - Knickerbocker

1947 - Clinton

1948 - Chief

1949 - Clinton

I have in my notes that there is also a 1949 ad for the Chief, but I do not now see that ad. 

The only two watches that appear to overlap in time--according to the ads we have now--are the Clinton and Chief.  They are both shown on the same strap.  In fact, the Knickerbocker, Clinton, and Chief are all on basketweave/seed straps.  The only one that is on a different strap is the Comptroller, which is separated from the others by the largest gap in time.

See above for pictures of the various models.

Good summarization of the ads and watches.  The two 1945 Knickerbocker ads are a few fields up the post in admin's comments.  

Here is some more evidence that will have to be taken into account. I have two 1948 models based on their movement markings. There are two different dials and two different movements.

Joel

Joel,

Those two cases appear to be diff sizes as well....right side is somewhat shorter...lug tip to lug tip.

I would agree, they do look to be different sizes unless the Camera is playing tricks.

I do note the Case on the left of the image shown has an arched Crystal, which when face down could cause an illusion.

The Movements differ, both Case serial numbers begin with 9, both signed.

Case dimensions would be stellar.

The crystal is placing the right case back closer to the lens causing the illusion. The bezels are actually interchangeable.    Joel

Thought as much.