Are you changing the name to undesignated now, admin?
Bobbee Not to put words into Admins mouth, but I think he is simply changing the number of ticks he assigns based on how the watch is ID'ed now- as an "F". While he "can" make the change - he has the technical ability to do so, and does "own" the website- his decisions and actions over the last five or so years have consistently reflected the "collective will" of all mybulova members- not just panel members, but all members. The recent process of panel members assisting with a model name of new watches entered the database reflect this democratic process of decision and action. There are very few websites where we all have an active voice in how things happen. I applaud Admin in his choice to take this route! It has helped get MyBulvoa to where it is today....along with his hard work and efforts from us all. This website rocks!
I'm simply saying that my vote is now for a generic AE and not the 'F' variant. The majority still rule which is why it's still a tentative F. If others like me want to change this or any other model ID based on their thoughts or information then they are welcome to submit to the panel. My vote was for the AC 'F' but now I feel more comfortable with just a generic AC.
So it's not a confirmed F because it does not have the original bracelet even though there is zero proof that another varient with the same case existed.
Yes, based on the fact that the non engraved versions are shown to be different 'variants' due to the mount I would say so.
Why would the engraved Case be any different?
Because no proof exists that it's the same. I'll stick with the facts. Should proof surface that there indeed was a varient with the same case and a different band then we can have a different discussion.
1937 ad below
Although not in an engraved Case the ad shows the 'AMERICAN CLIPPER' was available on a 'Tan Pigskin strap' or a 'Popular link bracelet'.
* Note the 2 different model #'s 4E1164 and 4E1165 which indicates they differ, or there is a 'variant'.
Depending on which side of the fence You're on the fact is We don't have an ad showing the engraved Case 'AMERICAN CLIPPER' on a leather strap named the "F" and the possibilty exists that this Case on Leather is not the 'F' variant. In fact, based on what We see not only in this Model line but others of the era it probably is not.
The above numbers you refer to are jewelers reference numbers, not model numbers.
No one is denying this Mark, but the remaining fact is that the AC "F" is the closest match for the subject watch at this point in time.
Three from me.
3 checks is a confirmed ID Bob, which at this time it is not.
'AMERICAN CLIPPER' is the closest ID which can/should be confirmed by 3 checks.
It is the 'AMERCAN CLIPPER'. - Confirmed.
Depending upon individual viewpoints the Watch may or may not be the 'F' variant of. - Not confirmed as.
The evidence to Date suggests it is not.