Some very sweet lugs on this Ashford. The case is in pretty great shape and overall a tight watch! As per new ads and debate. Changed to the Jordan on 5/8/2012.
So we know the current checks in the rating may represents the old Ashford ID, not necessarily the new Jordan ID.
IMO the voiced concern to date is: "what if there may be an ad or other documentation available in the future which indicates that the Jordan and the Ashford were both advertised/sold in 1953"? In this instance, I won't rate based on what may show up in the future. For now, we have what is advertised as the Jordan in 1953. We don't know if Ashford was marketed/sold as such that late. While the ads do indicate that Ashford was on "leather" and Jordan was "on expansion bracelet", that doesn't matter if Ashford wasn't marketed in 1953. I do note, however, there are only two years at most between the ads.
To confirm Jordan (regardless of band) I assume the Ashford (regardless of band) was not marketed as such in 1953. If I don't assume this, I cannot confirm which of the two ID's subject watch matches. Therefore the watch is now confirmed to match the ad(s) as listed IMO. If a 1953 Ashford ad comes along, then the band/strap issue is valid and comes into play, not on variant level, but actual model name. Three checks confirmed.
We see Bulova Watch models named differently based on thier straps side by side in the late 1940's. 'CRAFTSMAN' vs 'TUXEDO'
We see another example in the mid 1940's with the 'COMPTROLLER' and the 'KNICKERBOCKER' although the ads in this instance are one Year apart.
IMO, not only did Bulova name variants based on the strap the Watch was sold on, but also some Models are named differently depending on the mount, apparantly.
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Those statements may or may not be true.
What we do know for a fact is this. . .
1) We don't know what strap Plains' watch came on originally. The current strap is new.
2) We have ads for two watches that appear identical apart from the strap, but those ads are also dated years apart. So, there are at least two possibilities for how these watches could be distinguished.
3) The date of Plains' watch matches the ad for the Jordan, not the Ashford.
The strap could be the difference between the two watches, OR we could just happen to have two ads that show different straps, but, in reality, the same watch simply changed names and both versions came on a variety of straps. We do have ads that show the same model on different straps, so we know there wasn't always just one option there. And we don't have all the ads.
The increased number of check marks from two to three since the change to Jordan speaks for itself.
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