This watch is composed of a 1949 Treasurer back, movement and dial with an early 1950's President bezel.
10kt white gold fill with stainless steel back. Approx 25mm x 30mm in diameter excluding the crown. Original 2-tone finish dial.
In reply to Your not missing anything by simpletreasures
The movement database is totally a 'work in progress' and relies on its members (thats you guys) to actively update the table.
If you find a movement that isn't listed please fell free to add and correct as required.
I started this a while ago , but it's by no way complete. Its just a guide at this point but I hope with everyones help it will actually become a very useful asset to the site
In reply to The movement database is by mybulova_admin
I would concurr on the database being incomplete. I have seen 1949 17J 10BM's also. I believe the 21J 10BM was the end result of the evolution of the 10AK (WWII to mid 40's ) , then the 17J 10BH (1948) , 17J 10BM ( 1949-51) and then the 21J 10BM in 1952. Of course there is nothing to say this is true, it's just my theory but it makes sense out of what we see here.
To the original question then - can we or can we not confirm this watch as a President? We have been presented with a watch that I beleive is correct for mvmt and case as a 1949 model. This model appears in zero ads for it's date period yet is an exact match to a model advertised 4 years later. The case is white gold and I don't think the pres was available in the early 50's in white, but only yellow. I can be convinced otherwise but I am not convinced this watch is a president just yet.
I will grant one thing however -this is a very cool watch - I LOVE it. ESPECIALLY in white.
CORRECTION - 1954 added white as an option......
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I have seen the proof and I think that Bourg01 has the experience with these movements. His theory on the movement development makes perfect sense. As members here, we have a responsibility to evaluate the facts as presented as there is no vintage Bulova history. Believe it or not, we have to write the history, after gaining knowledge from facts. The subject watch is historical proof of the existance of a President model watch in 1949 with a 17 jewel movement. We have no ad reference to support this 1949 President until 1953. I believe we have a lot of missing advertisements that may appear in the future. This beautiful Bulova President should be recognised as such NOW.
Thanks, guys, for your in depth analysis of this watch. For me, this watch looks so similar to the early 50s President, that I don't see what else it could be. The only somewhat similar design seems to be the 1950 Gramatan, which this is definately not. Thanks again for your help and interest!
The printed numeral Dial shows traits found in other 17 Jeweled Watches of the same 1950+/- period, 'WESTOVER' comes to mind as one example.
The Dial is also showing signs of being in a different Case or Bezel at some point in time, telltale marks are found in the (overly large) space between the Minute track and outer edge of the Dial / bezel horizontal.
The Case back does appear to fit the bezel? ...or maybe not quite as the last pic shows..
To the original question then - can we or can we not confirm this watch as a President?
IMO Not a 'PRESIDENT'.