Bulova 1954 Kirkwood

Submitted by GVP on March 10, 2014 - 3:50pm
Manufacture Year
1954
Movement Model
7AA
Movement Jewels
21
Movement Serial No.
-
Case Serial No.
7289476
Case shape
Rectangle
Case color
Yellow
Case Manufacturer
Bulova
Crystal details
Currently has GS CMX326-34
Gender
Mens
Watch Description

Unknown unusual model to me. Similar to the Jefferson hooded lugs. 10kgf bezel and back.

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mybulova_admin
Posted August 5, 2014 - 1:39pm

In reply to by bobbee

[quote=bobbee]

I can see the "camel humps" quite clearly in the blown-up pic, and in the full ad.

Price will help with ID, as there are several known models and one at the same original price, which makes it easier. By comparing model names/prices in the price lists, we might find an ID.

My money's on the Jefferson.

[/quote] The full advert and the close up listing the Jefferson show two different watches. Yes the full advert shows the subject watch but is not named. The Jefferson advert is not the same as the subject watch as it clearly has no side humps and the dial is slightly different.

bobbee
Posted August 6, 2014 - 5:39am

In reply to by mybulova_admin

I will post again the explanation.

In andersok's ad posting he also supplies the price guide listing. This listing has three different variants of the Jefferson with three different reference numbers. There is only one of the three at the $89.50 price that is shown in the ad matching the subject. I have searched the price guides, and found only five men's watches priced at $89.50.

Galahad "A"= diamond watch, no match.

Galahad "C"= diamond watch, no match.

His Highness= we have a match already in db.

Seaford= we have a mid-1950's ad in the db, no match.

Jefferson= price match with subject. We have a Jefferson ad at $85.00, this will be a reference match for the 38193, or the 31793, both are $85.00.

The $89.50 Jefferson's reference number is 37193.

Three Jefferson variants, two different prices, only one watch at this price can possibly match.

Reverend Rob
Posted August 5, 2014 - 12:40pm

The named Jefferson ad seems to be missing the bumps and also seems to have a curved section between the lugs. 

mybulova_admin
Posted August 6, 2014 - 10:39am

 

Ok so here's what a real Jefferson looks like.....the $85 version at least.

Not a match for the subject watch. So it's either not a Jefferson or the $89.50 version looked different as in the subject watch.

Im still at unknown.

http://www.mybulova.com/watches/1954-jefferson-6274

 

bobbee
Posted August 6, 2014 - 11:40am

There are more than one Jefferson, I thought I explained.

Three different reference numbers, two different prices. Just like we have different shaped  AA's, HE's, Duo Winds etc, there are two or three different shaped Jeffersons.

 

mybulova_admin
Posted August 6, 2014 - 1:23pm

 

Bobbee I'm not saying it isn't a Jefferson. I agree and acknowledge that there were three variants. But the bottom line is we have no advert evidence to ID the subject watch at this time.

William Smith
Posted August 6, 2014 - 1:26pm

Agreed using only price and pricelist without at least supporting crystal specs (and no advert) is very tentative at best, especially when we have an ad at same price for different case (no humps).   I'll check various crystal catalogs to see if we can get a possible "match" from other catalogs.

William Smith
Posted July 3, 2015 - 1:39pm
 
Crystal Details: 

 Currently has GS CMX326-34

One of the GS crystal catalog Excel files I have show this crystal as fitting Bulova Jefferson, with measurements 21.6 x 17.6.  There is only one record for CMX 326 34.

From another crysta data Excel file, on the tab for WatchCraft1957. Measurements are smaller than the GS data above.

[quote=OldTicker]

Unfortunately the crystal catalogs don't help much either, the correct crystal for the ad would be the single gable GS CMX326-35G which is shown in the ad and ID'd as the "Q" varient.

This size and curvature crystal is probably the most used in the Bulova line-up of the era...fit everything from the AA's His Excellency's + a few more...six crystals all the same size with very slight differences in curvature...

 

[/quote]

We had been working off an unnamed ad at the beginning of this thread, and basing some stuff on price lists.   I found this Jefferson in database, and it has a hang tag showing price list model number.

Price List used by Ken and Bobbee earlier in thread, and we had been suggesting the $89.50 price was not accounted for in our watch database, but this example above shows a different watch for 37193.

Based on all this, the unnamed ad, although showing the "humps", is apparently NOT for a Jefferson.

shelton243
Posted August 4, 2016 - 5:57pm

I have the same watch and just recieved a new crystal.

It's Like the C11 that's in your post but . 

tipyopcrystals and the #'s are

RMS 128-19D

RMS128-19D

21.5 X 17.5

fITS NICE

 

 

Mike L.
Posted February 16, 2017 - 3:41pm

Ok, after looking at the above Information, it is appears that OldTicker's post references crystal "326-35G to the Bulova's "Q", and this Is confirmed with William Smith's data for the CMX326-35G Bulova Model "Academy Award Q", but then I noticed the "Academy Award QII" in the data base... I am so confused!